Buck Disappoints...

Brother do ya just miss my point? Its real simple. If you don't like the knife send it back. That's a call only you can make. However if you think your going to blow the whistle on Buck's CS. Well that's going to be hard. There's way to many good tales. They will over shadow the very slim amount of bad stories. I mean points a valued and I understand em. Where I'm confuse is when a personal ruther becomes physics as you call it.
The law of average is going to out weigh your law of physics. You have a higher chance of losing the knife or wearing out the blade long before you wear out the lock. You mention price. Aight then if that knife last 10 yrs then it costex you $4.50 a year. Surely its worth that to beable to cut whatever it is you cut through out the year. I don't keep many Bucks any more. I've given a lot away and lost several. Matter of fact in the paper work that comes w/ a new Buck it says Bucks has a way of coming up gone. Or at least it use to. To be honest I don't even take the time register em any more. I've learned that I'm not going to wear out my buck so keeping a bunch on hand doesn't make since and I'm not a true collector. I see a knife I won't and I get it. My kids always get me a Buck for my Bday kinda tradition. I usely hold on to them until I lose em. Doesn't matter though cause Buck is always putting out something I want to try.
Now back to the physics. That liner isn't going to just wear out because it goes all the way to the other side. If it does wear I bet Buck fixes it. I've been trying all morning to upload a video of my Buck 186T to youtube but keeping a failure. As soon as I get it uploaded I'll post the link. You can tell its been used. I open it and you can watch the lock slide all the way across to the other side. There is no movement in the blade. This is a $20 knife from walmart from my daughter. I know if I send it to Buck they will repair the missing screw to tigjten up the clip they might even do something about the lock. Why I don't send itbto them is thesebare badges of honor of the knife and they just might send me a new one. That's not what I want. See that Buck knife is dated and I can remember when I got it as all Bucks are. I wore the scales down. That tells a story of that knife and part of my life. Some has pictures/videos to remember their life. I have Buck knives. Lost knives don't bother me much. I look at it like if the knife is lost then I'm suppose to remember the knife not the time. And that's cool w/ me too.
Enjoy it or not. It is totally up to you. Just that simple.
 
Both of you have valid points.

Buck has great customer service.

Mistakes may be made sometimes, but that's when you call Joe and he'll get it straightened out.
 
Among his many duties, he's our moderator on this forum.....Joe Houser of Buck Knives.

(He runs the Customer Service, too.)
 
You know......I don't have much experience with liner locks, but it seems to me (just from seeing the stories on this thread) that mistakes will probably happen more often with them than, for example, 110s.

Maybe that accounts for the many stories we hear of trouble with liner lock knives.
 
You know......I don't have much experience with liner locks, but it seems to me (just from seeing the stories on this thread) that mistakes will probably happen more often with them than, for example, 110s.

Maybe that accounts for the many stories we hear of trouble with liner lock knives.
I think you're right on target, with this point. The liner locks have smaller pieces, and more of them, and the locking mechanism just by design will eventually (in theory...) wear itself out. The 110, on the other hand, has a mechanism that's much less "delicate" if you will, and one that does NOT wear itself out over time & regular use.
(Well... and Buck has been making the 110 for how many years now? I'd bet they've got that one down pat.)
 
I think you're right on target, with this point. The liner locks have smaller pieces, and more of them, and the locking mechanism just by design will eventually (in theory...) wear itself out. The 110, on the other hand, has a mechanism that's much less "delicate" if you will, and one that does NOT wear itself out over time & regular use.
(Well... and Buck has been making the 110 for how many years now? I'd bet they've got that one down pat.)

Well, again, three of my problem knives are back lock ones: the Bucklite Max 486 and 110 Ecolite, and the two back lock Gents I gave away. Yes, as per your comment, I found this particularly surprising.

I guess I'll at least send the 486 (again) and the 110 into CS, since I've spent this much time talking about them here. Maybe I'll go ahead and include the Vantage, just to see what they do (or don't do) to it.

- OS
 
You know......I don't have much experience with liner locks, but it seems to me (just from seeing the stories on this thread) that mistakes will probably happen more often with them than, for example, 110s.

Maybe that accounts for the many stories we hear of trouble with liner lock knives.
I had those same thoughts before I got my 1st liner lock. Which was a cross lock. Incould just see that blade folding up on my fingers. After a couple deer cleaned under my belt I started feling better about them. A now everything I get (just so happens) is a liner lock.
To settle an arguement In 1988 I put my 110 in a bench vise and hung 2 10lbs hammers from the blade. Didntneven losen it up. The lock nor the. Spine ever gave out. I carried that knife 25+ yrs. I've done a couple liners w/ 1 10 weight. No flex at all. I started believing in em. I don't think their better it just so happens what I'm interrested in has a liner loc. Looks like a big craze is in single hand operation. Which wich I can operate my 110s and varaients with one hand. A single thumb and out of your leg closes it and their fairly easy to open with thumb against the thumbnail slit. I can see small weak hands having trouble w/ this kind of deployment and closing though.
 
Well, again, three of my problem knives are back lock ones: the Bucklite Max 486 and 110 Ecolite, and the two back lock Gents I gave away. Yes, as per your comment, I found this particularly surprising.

I guess I'll at least send the 486 (again) and the 110 into CS, since I've spent this much time talking about them here. Maybe I'll go ahead and include the Vantage, just to see what they do (or don't do) to it.

- OS
Hmm.... Well, I certainly hope it turns out well for you. :thumbup:

...here and there I've heard a couple titters about the Ecolite series... maybe the tooling isn't quite worn in yet... I'm sure they'll soon be cranking out the Ecolite series with the same consistency as the brass models.
 
My Vantage Pro is going way over aswell.
It locks up solid, but if you wrist flip and use flipper it actually locks up in the middle.It hits the liner and bounces back.
If you slowly open it it hits the far liner.
Worth calling Buck about?
It came over pretty far when I got it, but after a month its progressed farther to the liner.

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Been busy with work just getting back to the thread... but this is what is happening to mine, out of the box it was doing this.
 
Been busy with work just getting back to the thread... but this is what is happening to mine, out of the box it was doing this.

Can you flip yours open (with just finger)?

The other prob with my Vantage Force Avid is that unless I loosen the pivot to where there's unacceptable horizontal play, I have to use rather violent wrist flip to open it, no way static held with just finger.

My Avid and Pro Vantages snap open like a dream, but not this puppy.

- OS
 
The vantage force avid I have as well is harder to flip open compared to my other vantages as well.
 
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I also had trouble with deployment on the Vantage Force models compared with the standard Vantage models. I don't know if it's because my Vantage Force has nylatron washers versus the phosphor bronze washers in my non-Force Vantage. But for some reason I'm finding my Vantage Force takes a little more effort to flip the blade out, sometimes needing a wrist flick. My non-Force Vantage flips out nice and quickly.

I know nylatron has its supporters, but I like my phosphor bronze. I'm glad I got my Vantage before the switch to nylatron washers hit the non-Force Vantage line.
 
... I don't know if it's because my Vantage Force has nylatron washers versus the phosphor bronze washers in my non-Force Vantage. But for some reason I'm finding my Vantage Force takes a little more effort to flip the blade out, sometimes needing a wrist flick. My non-Force Vantage flips out nice and quickly...

I thought maybe it was the blade coating, but also thought they would have allowed for that in some way if so.

The description onsite actually lauds the Force series as being the easiest opening of all the Vantages:

"...An ultra-fast and smooth opening with the flipper works so quickly, you would think it's an assisted opener.."

Yeah, right.

- OS
 
there is no way I can flip open with just my finger. I have to flip it while is flip is lol
 
Well, sent all three off to Buck to fix or replace:

- Bucklite Max Folder: vertical play (this is second trip for this one, horizontal play fixed first time)
- 110 Ecolite: vertical play
- Vantage Force Avid: won't flip, liner lockup all the way over to opposite side.

- OS
 
I hope you get back some Buck knives that you'll be happy with - and soon. I have bought a bunch of Bucks in my life, and only found one that needed a return home - a CS 110 in BG-42, at that. My wimpy thumbnails couldn't open it - way too tight! An 850 Bravo was returned to the vendor for replacement - same design fault - gifted it to my son anyway - he was/is happy. Go figure! Still have my one and only - and very early production bought through the mail - #347 Vantage Pro. After lots of use - and flip-open drills - and touching up that S30V - it is still ~50% lockup. Great value, as are my basic 110's to my Damascus bladed CS 110. Even that BG-42 CS 110... it's replacement arrived after my son announced that he didn't need any more of those "..large butt Buck folders..". Poor me - I had to get him something else - cheaper - now have two of those CS 110's in BG-42... it's a tough life. Seriously, you should have Buck knives you can enjoy.

Now - a spoiler - last year, my local knife-emporium, 'Marks Outdoors', had several #347's - new in the box - with insufficient or too much lockup, that is, <10% or >90%. I was shocked. A lapse in their QC is possible, I suppose.

Stainz
 
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