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Bulldog brand blade steel
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SVTFreak
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Where they all carbon or where there stainless also? If both, how can I determine which?
yes they do. I have a fighting rooster than really gets and keeps an nice edge.
If its carbon steel its almost certainly 1095. Those old Bulldogs do take a nice edge...
yes they do. I have a fighting rooster than really gets and keeps an nice edge.
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Use it to slice/dice onion, or potato or stick the blade in and let sit a hour or so, or dunk in warm household vinegar (if you use vinegar, open a window, or do it outside, or wait until the next easter egg decoration party, to force a patina.
Warm vinegar is somewhat mighty odiferous. It'll stink up the whole house.)
If it don't patina it is a stainless steel blade.
I don't know if Bulldog ever had the same "problem" that some Utica's had/have: namely one blade carbon steel the other stainless.
Attempting to force a patina on all 4 of your blades would answer that question ... at least for your particular example.
From the picture, my suspicion is yours has stainless blades.
Its easier just to look at the tang stamp, and looking for the marking won't muck up the nice finish on the blades. The stainless blades were always marked as such, either Surgical Steel or Surgical Instrument.
The above 5 blade stockman is 1095 steel.
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I appreciate that input, but yes I’m looking how to tell by markings or attributes of the knife. I am looking at pictures of one for sale and would like to try to decipher that way. Quite familiar with the patina method of telling if it’s carbon lol
So, if not marked stainless or surgical, then it is probably carbon? Am I understanding that correctly? Same true for fighting roosters and related brands?
So, if not marked stainless or surgical, then it is probably carbon? Am I understanding that correctly? Same true for fighting roosters and related brands?
Yes, if it is marked Hand Made with the date stamped on the tang its carbon steel. If its stainless it will be marked as such. I'm not sure that Frank Buster had any SS Fight'n Roosters made. They aren't really related to the Bulldogs other than both were made in the Olbertz factory.
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I have both a 1st gen Frank Buster Cutlery Co. (MOP, stamped on tang) and a 2nd gen Frank Buster Celebrated stockman (jigged bone, etched on the clip main) in stainless. I think they used 1.4112 stainless steel for blades, which closely approximates 440B, but has a little Vanadium added.
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Bulldog brand knives have been one of the favorite work and collectible knives for the last 25 years. Charlie Dorton, a perfectionist, first commissioned the Friedrich Olbertz factory in Solingen to produce Bulldog knives in 1978; and they are still being made by the same craftsmen today. Bulldog Knives First Generation: (1978 - 1987) are one of the hottest collectibles in today's market and are getting very hard to find. Charlie stopped producing knives in 1987 and no Bulldog knives were made until Jim Parker bought the Bulldog brand in 1991 (Second Generation) and had all parts finished out into products. Bulldog Knives Third Generation (1993-1995) offered 17 of the finest patterns available to collectors in recent history; and was the first significant number of stainless Bulldog knives produced. We are now into the 5th or 6th Generation of Bulldog Knives with the standing dog then the two dog heads; but recently Buzz has went back to the fighting dogs stamp due to collector acceptance.
Bulldog Brand Knives
Mr. Charlie Dorton had the first Bulldog Brand Knife produced in 1978 in the Friedrich Olbertz Factory in Solingen West Germany. Bulldog Brand Knives are still produced in the same factory. Bulldog Knives have five important periods in their existence; collectors refer to them as different generations.
First Generation. 1978 – 1987. Thirty two different patterns were produced. Out of 32 patterns came 469 styles. A Bulldog Brand Knife Collectors Club was formed in the early 1980’s. There were no Bulldog knives shipped into the United States from late 1987 to 1992.
Second Generation. 1991 - 1992. Jim Parker purchased the Bulldog Brand Knife Company. In 1992 the Olbertz factory shipped about 7,000 Bulldog knives to the USA. Later, some knife parts were purchased from Blue Grass Cutlery to complete additional Bulldog knife sets.
Third Generation. 1993. 17 new knife patterns were ordered from the Olbertz factory and 5 new handle materials were introduced. Oyster Shell handle material and Lady Leg knives were introduced in this year. The third generation knives ended the era of the two “Fighting Dogs” stamp.
Fourth Generation. Around 1995. Jim Parker commissioned an artist to draw “Lucky” Mrs. Parkers purple ribbon bred American Pit Bull Terrier. This drawing appeared as the new Bulldog Knives trademark in 1996.
Fifth Generation. 2000. According to Jim Parker’s Pocket Knife Traders Price Guide, the double dog head stamp was introduced around this time.
Sixth Generation - 2005. February 2005, Bulldog Brand Knives retired the Double Dog Head Tang Stamp, and replaced it with a single Fighting Bulldog Stamp.
A trademark has to be used every three years to keep it active, so a few knives with the rare two “Fighting Dogs” stamp are released every few years.
The Bull Dog Brand Knives are 100% Completely Handmade in Solingen, Germany by Master Cutlers. Each Carbon steel blade is individually hammer-forged with over 240 hand operations going into each knife, then each blade is reverse frost etched with the Double Dog Head logo. Nickel Silver Pins and Shield, and Brass Liners add to the top quality craftsmanship.
Charlie Dorton had the first Bulldog Brand Knife produced in 1978 in the Friedrich Olbertz Factory in Solingen West Germany. Bulldog Brand Knives are still produced in the same factory. Bulldog Knives have five important periods in their existence; collectors refer to them as different generations.
First Generation. 1978 – 1987; Thirty two different patterns were produced. Out of 32 patterns came 469 styles. A Bulldog Brand Knife Collectors Club was formed in the early 1980’s and a number was assigned to each knife as it went to a customer. There were no Bulldog knives shipped into the United States from late 1987 to 1992.
Second Generation. 1991 – 1992; Jim Parker purchased the Bulldog Brand Knife Company. In 1992 the Olbertz factory shipped about 7,000 Bulldog knives to the USA. Later, some knife parts were purchased from Blue Grass Cutlery to complete additional Bulldog knife sets.
Third Generation. 1993 – 1995; 17 new knife patterns were ordered from the Olbertz factory and 5 new handle materials were introduced. Oyster Shell handle material and Lady Leg knives were introduced in this year. The third generation knives ended the era of the two “Fighting Dogs” stamp.
Fourth Generation. 1996 - Early 2000; Jim Parker commissioned an artist to draw “Lucky” Mrs. Parkers purple ribbon bred American Pit Bull Terrier. This drawing appeared as the new Bulldog Knives trademark in 1996.
Fifth Generation. 2000-2003; According to Jim Parker’s Pocket Knife Traders Price Guide, the double dog head stamp was introduced around this time.
2004 Silver Anniversary; This is the Year of the Reintroduction of the “Fighting Dog” Tang Stamp. 25 Year – Silver Anniversary of Bulldog Brand Knives
2005 – 2008; February 2005, Bulldog Brand Knives retired the Double Dog Head Tang Stamp, and replaced it with a single Fighting Bulldog Stamp.
A trademark has to be used every three years to keep it active, so a few knives with the rare two “Fighting Dogs” stamp are released every few years.
The Bull Dog Brand Knives are 100% Completely Handmade in Solingen, Germany by Master Cutlers. Each Carbon steel blade is individually hammer-forged with over 240 hand operations going into each knife, then each blade is reverse frost etched with the Double Dog Head logo. Nickel Silver Pins and Shield, and Brass Liners add to the top quality craftsmanship.
Source: "Pocket Knife Trader's Price Guide Volume 8" By: James "Buzz" Parker and Ed Henley
Sixth Generation – 2009 to Present; Bulldog Brand USA Knives are being manufactured by Great Eastern Cutlery in Titusville, PA and models are product by Queen Cutlery in Titusville, PA. Bulldog Brand USA Knives are high quality Knives, made in the USA, that carry on the Bulldog Brand Legacy.
Sowbelly Stag
Stockman Stag
The above info ought to be helpful to Bulldog enthusiasts.
Bulldog Brand Knives
Mr. Charlie Dorton had the first Bulldog Brand Knife produced in 1978 in the Friedrich Olbertz Factory in Solingen West Germany. Bulldog Brand Knives are still produced in the same factory. Bulldog Knives have five important periods in their existence; collectors refer to them as different generations.
First Generation. 1978 – 1987. Thirty two different patterns were produced. Out of 32 patterns came 469 styles. A Bulldog Brand Knife Collectors Club was formed in the early 1980’s. There were no Bulldog knives shipped into the United States from late 1987 to 1992.
Second Generation. 1991 - 1992. Jim Parker purchased the Bulldog Brand Knife Company. In 1992 the Olbertz factory shipped about 7,000 Bulldog knives to the USA. Later, some knife parts were purchased from Blue Grass Cutlery to complete additional Bulldog knife sets.
Third Generation. 1993. 17 new knife patterns were ordered from the Olbertz factory and 5 new handle materials were introduced. Oyster Shell handle material and Lady Leg knives were introduced in this year. The third generation knives ended the era of the two “Fighting Dogs” stamp.
Fourth Generation. Around 1995. Jim Parker commissioned an artist to draw “Lucky” Mrs. Parkers purple ribbon bred American Pit Bull Terrier. This drawing appeared as the new Bulldog Knives trademark in 1996.
Fifth Generation. 2000. According to Jim Parker’s Pocket Knife Traders Price Guide, the double dog head stamp was introduced around this time.
Sixth Generation - 2005. February 2005, Bulldog Brand Knives retired the Double Dog Head Tang Stamp, and replaced it with a single Fighting Bulldog Stamp.
A trademark has to be used every three years to keep it active, so a few knives with the rare two “Fighting Dogs” stamp are released every few years.
The Bull Dog Brand Knives are 100% Completely Handmade in Solingen, Germany by Master Cutlers. Each Carbon steel blade is individually hammer-forged with over 240 hand operations going into each knife, then each blade is reverse frost etched with the Double Dog Head logo. Nickel Silver Pins and Shield, and Brass Liners add to the top quality craftsmanship.
Charlie Dorton had the first Bulldog Brand Knife produced in 1978 in the Friedrich Olbertz Factory in Solingen West Germany. Bulldog Brand Knives are still produced in the same factory. Bulldog Knives have five important periods in their existence; collectors refer to them as different generations.
First Generation. 1978 – 1987; Thirty two different patterns were produced. Out of 32 patterns came 469 styles. A Bulldog Brand Knife Collectors Club was formed in the early 1980’s and a number was assigned to each knife as it went to a customer. There were no Bulldog knives shipped into the United States from late 1987 to 1992.
Second Generation. 1991 – 1992; Jim Parker purchased the Bulldog Brand Knife Company. In 1992 the Olbertz factory shipped about 7,000 Bulldog knives to the USA. Later, some knife parts were purchased from Blue Grass Cutlery to complete additional Bulldog knife sets.
Third Generation. 1993 – 1995; 17 new knife patterns were ordered from the Olbertz factory and 5 new handle materials were introduced. Oyster Shell handle material and Lady Leg knives were introduced in this year. The third generation knives ended the era of the two “Fighting Dogs” stamp.
Fourth Generation. 1996 - Early 2000; Jim Parker commissioned an artist to draw “Lucky” Mrs. Parkers purple ribbon bred American Pit Bull Terrier. This drawing appeared as the new Bulldog Knives trademark in 1996.
Fifth Generation. 2000-2003; According to Jim Parker’s Pocket Knife Traders Price Guide, the double dog head stamp was introduced around this time.
2004 Silver Anniversary; This is the Year of the Reintroduction of the “Fighting Dog” Tang Stamp. 25 Year – Silver Anniversary of Bulldog Brand Knives
2005 – 2008; February 2005, Bulldog Brand Knives retired the Double Dog Head Tang Stamp, and replaced it with a single Fighting Bulldog Stamp.
A trademark has to be used every three years to keep it active, so a few knives with the rare two “Fighting Dogs” stamp are released every few years.
The Bull Dog Brand Knives are 100% Completely Handmade in Solingen, Germany by Master Cutlers. Each Carbon steel blade is individually hammer-forged with over 240 hand operations going into each knife, then each blade is reverse frost etched with the Double Dog Head logo. Nickel Silver Pins and Shield, and Brass Liners add to the top quality craftsmanship.
Source: "Pocket Knife Trader's Price Guide Volume 8" By: James "Buzz" Parker and Ed Henley
Sixth Generation – 2009 to Present; Bulldog Brand USA Knives are being manufactured by Great Eastern Cutlery in Titusville, PA and models are product by Queen Cutlery in Titusville, PA. Bulldog Brand USA Knives are high quality Knives, made in the USA, that carry on the Bulldog Brand Legacy.
Sowbelly Stag
Stockman Stag
The above info ought to be helpful to Bulldog enthusiasts.
waynorth
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Here is a 2009 Bulldog!! I am a little confused by the quote a couple of posts back!!
The knife feels like a GEC, but the mention of Queen is not clear!!
"models are product by Queen Cutlery in Titusville, PA."?? Can anyone clarify this??
The knife feels like a GEC, but the mention of Queen is not clear!!
"models are product by Queen Cutlery in Titusville, PA."?? Can anyone clarify this??
black mamba
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Charlie, if your horn handled Bulldog is 3¾" closed, then I have the same knife, and they were made by GEC: a rebranded #73 linerlock.
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I only have one Bulldog,this MOP copperhead. Really fine knife imo. I need to take some better pics, I carry and use it occasionally so it now has patina on the drop point blade.
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Tang stamp showing year made
Harry