Bush knife failure

Yes, a Buck Crosslock failed me. I bought it in the early 90's so they may be better now. It was my hunting knife. The lock gave way and the blade rotated upward 90*, like holding the letter "L" while trying to cut of some small branches and saplings for a shooting lane. Threw it in the trash. I wasn't chopping, but slicing.
 
I've heard the Crosslocks weren't the sturdiest folders. The current edition looks like a different knife altogether, the Crosslock PBS (Portable Butcher Shop). Very nice design, but not something I need so someone else will have to test it for us! :)
 
I read somewhere (could be internet slop) that the Marines say: 2 is 1, 1 is none. Take a backup.

Whether attributed to the Marines or not,it's still good advice.
 
That's my favorite part about making knives. Taking them out and putting them through the paces. As for breaking a knife while afield, never happened. The only time I break a knife is on purpose to look at the grain.
I do remember when I set up at gunshows, the number of people who told me they broke the tips off their Buck 110s trying to split the pelvic bone on a deer. :rolleyes:
Scott
 
On a multi day, all primitive, canoe trip I had the sinew get wet on a antler handled obsidian knife and lost the handle. I still had the blade though so I used it with out a handle for a day until I got the chance to make a new one.
 
I know for me, I've never broken a knife. The only thing that came close was that I lost one, I'm still not sure how (attached to my belt) and when I exited the woods, it was gone, I looked and looked but I never found it. It was a great little knife, One from tramontina, but it was quite abit of money, some type of climbing knife, 6" blade, loved that thing.
 
Ah, the elusive Fonly. There was a rumour about that you had been kidnapped by Kevin the Grey, never to be heard from again.

I'm glad to see it isn't true. :D

Doc
 
I've been fortunate enough not to loose a knife while Camping/Hiking.....I like to carry bright handled knives...or have a bright lanyard on the knife so I can find it easily enough it dropped.

I've broken a couple cheaper knives and done light damage to some nice one's but never anything serious. On the cheaper knives I was just being abusive.....they were cheap-o's that were just for entertainment...I was seeing what I could cut, how thin I could make the edge, practicing my sharpening skills, and all the things I wanted to know to do or not to do with my "good" knives.

When it comes down to it, if my life were to depend on a knife I'd go with a Busse....the knives aren't cheap: some are even VERY hard to find, but at least I know one thing. Bringing a Busse is like fishing with dynamite.....it's overkill if anything! If you only buy ONE high quality knife: Make it a Busse. You won't regret it...in fact you'll probably get addicted and buy a couple more :D.
 
I had a few knives with stainless blades break , the tips kinda dont stand up to getting bardie grubs out of roots and stumps

a number of folders and fixed blades have ended their days this way with me .

I have had opinel edges roll on me several times , so that about an inch of the cutting edge was at 90 degrees to the rest of the blade .

When I was a kid , I was doing somethng stupid with a knife and the tang snapped at the rivit hole , and I did some nasty damage to my hand on the broken bit

I kinda shy away from stainless blades now , and go for plain old hi carbon steels instead , to me it seems that peening a cutting edge back where it should be is better than having a chunck snapped out of the blade , and a bent tip is to me preferable to a tip snapped off . I can fix a bent tip in the field , but I cant regrind a knife so easily

just my opinion tho .

I personaly find it very hard to take a knife I spent a fortune buying and using it for abusive suff , Id LOVE to own a Busse , but couldnt bring my self to use the knife to its full potential ... so I make my own that do the job , the plus of that is , if I break it , I can improve the next one , at the moment I have knives that take my use / abuse , they cost very little , and Im not afraid of scratching them up or belting them around , so I know they have been tested over and again and will take the work I use them for .
 
Considering any "kind of though" knife (not thin hard slicers), blade snapping should not happen. They may take some permanent deformation first, edge might crack or dent, but they shouldn't brutally snap without any warning.
That's generally related to a production problem (inadequate materieal, compromised heat treatment) or mindless specifications (e.g. brittle steel at high hardness on a large chopper).

Constructions/treatments like differential hardening or lamination generally can't protect the edge from chipping/cracking, but they generally avoid "dramatic" snapping (since soft part being quite imprevious to shock, and absorbing "resonance" effects).

pict said:
None of them float either.
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Actually, some, particularly among puukko types, do.
 
Hi all I have had a rat-7 fail me while I was battoning through some seasoned mulberry. This is a pretty tough wood the round I was battoning through was about 3.5" and about a foot long. I got the knife I week before last Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving night is when the knife had a 3" piece break out of the knife and stayed in the round. I sat there with a shocked look on my face and then went into my 5th Wheel camper and told my wife and that I just broke my new knife get your camera and take some pics. Later that knight we drove into town and I e-mailed Mike perin and Rat knives. Now this is Thanksgiving week end so I did not think I would here any thing back until at least the nest week. The next day Mike called me and we talked about it and what happened Mike said he would get a new knife out to me. Mike told me that D-2 is a bit more brittle and say the 1095 modle that they have to. I asked Mike if he would send out a new knife in 1095 steel instead of a new D-2 steel. Mike said he would but that I would loose money on it because the D-2 cost more I said thats ok. So to wrap up here I am glad I was not in a real sitution. I did get the new Rat & in 1095 steel and I went out and battoned with this one and had know problems. I own a few rats and believe this was just a one in a millon mishap. The morale of this story is carry more than one blade. Which I do anyway. Here are the pics.
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Take care,
Bryan
 
Ravaillac,

OK you got me. None of MINE float. I do have a Mora #1 blade that I just might rehandle in cork... Mac

Bryan,

OUCH!

Its good to hear he made good on it.

That photo illustrates my earlier point. If your knife breaks the best option is to use the broken pieces to solve your problems. That Rat suffered a catastrophic failure but it is still a cutter that could still be useful if that was all you had. People have solved their problems with much less. Mac
 
Myal said:
I personaly find it very hard to take a knife I spent a fortune buying and using it for abusive suff , Id LOVE to own a Busse , but couldnt bring my self to use the knife to its full potential ... so I make my own that do the job , the plus of that is , if I break it , I can improve the next one , at the moment I have knives that take my use / abuse , they cost very little , and Im not afraid of scratching them up or belting them around , so I know they have been tested over and again and will take the work I use them for .
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If you look into it, Busse knives are constructed with the purpose of being put to hard use. Chopping wood isn't abuse, nor is some prying, digging, brush clearing, batoning and whatever else you may need it for. My knives aren't damaged, and from what I've seen, neither are anyone else's. They're made of the toughest stuff both in steels and the micarta handles. Busse has an unconditional lifetime guarantee where if you break/damage it, it'll be replaced or you'll be given shop credit for the original price of the knife.

If you'd seen the tests that have been performed on Busse's you'd see how crazy they are. They've been bent to 45 degrees and returned to true and up to and beyond 90 degrees before breaking. The edge holding is out of this world. Not to mention that if you hit something hard, they don't chip, they dent which can be straightened with steels most of the time. Check out Cliff Stamp's review site and see his SHBM testing. It's rediculous how tough these things are. If Cliff hasn't broke one....you sure as heck wouldn't!
http://www.cutleryscience.com/reviews/busse_bm.html
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Ah, the elusive Fonly. There was a rumour about that you had been kidnapped by Kevin the Grey, never to be heard from again.

I'm glad to see it isn't true. :D

Doc
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hahaha, awsome.

Nah, just been too freggin busy. i gotta get more time.

And I think I know what 7" blade Im going to get in stainless, a recon tanto. :D
 
pbubsy

I have looked into Busse knives , and I have a high respect for them and the service I have seen people get from the makers , it is truly outstanding .

Its just me personaly , I couldnt bring myself to really *use* a knife that cost more than my car , Id be worried about scratching it or messing it up ...

tho I reckon there would be a hell of a buzz associated with doing just that , from what I have heard about them :)
 
That's the great part....even after use/abuse...you can sell it for at least cost!
 
I have never broken anything in the field...or anywhere else for that matter! I can't imagine breaking a knife while doing anything remotely normal with it, although I generally don't do any chopping with my knives - I use axes.

Here is what I have done: I dropped an opinel off the side of a boat twenty years ago, when I was a little kid.

I slipped while cutting something in my lap about ten years ago, and gave myself a good cut on the leg.

I stuck an axe in my leg last year while chopping a tree. That was the best one by far. I had been working falling and limbing trees all day with my dad, maybe eight or ten hours of work. I was really getting tired, but I just had the one last tree to fall...

"I don't think I can do it with this axe," I said. It was my little Wetterlings. I was pretty tired.

"Sure you can," said my dad. "Otherwise, my brother will get here, and use his chainsaw."

"Okay," I said. But I was so tired, I didn't bend at the waist. I just chopped from a standing position. I wasn't really focused on it very well, and then I felt a sting. I looked down, and the axe was stuck in my leg.

"Oh," I said. "That will bleed a bit."

"No," said my dad. "Wrong time of year."

"No," I said. "My leg. There's an axe stuck in it."

"Oh!" he said. "Well, I guess that's true, then. I thought you meant the tree. It would have bled a lot of sap in the spring, but not too much now. Too cold."

"Right," I said. "Good call."


So, the point is, I don't worry about breaking stuff other than myself. I worry about hurting myself and losing tools.
 
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