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upnorth

upnorth

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I was metal detecting along a feeder stream to the main river out here and practicing with my Eskabar. Then I started to see a trail of garbage leading down to a small camp site. It appears that immigrants (I've bumped into them previously) were catching and cooking fish along the shoreline. No big deal. But what does piss me off is their lack of respect for their new adopted country. Why do they drop their garbage were they stand, and walk away? Some of these people are refugees and given everything to make a comfortable new life here, yet they act like this.
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We have a lot of trash fishermen in these parts.
And by trash, I mean bait containers, food wrapper, beer cans, etc. :thumbdn:
 
upnorth said:
Then I started to see a trail of garbage leading down to a small camp site.
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upnorth, I have lost count of the number of times I have stopped in my area to inquire about fishing in some of the farmer's ponds on their property. Their main reason for declining my request was exactly what your picture shows . . . . they let a "friend" of a "friend" fish & this is what they left. There are times at some of the private property I fish at that I actually take out some left over trash with me and stop by the owner's home to make sure he knows what someone was leaving behind so that he did not think I was the culprit.
Very valid point, one or two people ruining it for scores of others.
Be safe.
 
Agree on the immigrants they trash everything in there path for some damn reason....

Nice pics by the way
 
Around my neck of the woods, we "pack it in, and pack it out". However, when we "pack it out", more often than not, we're packing out other people's garbage too. One of those things that really burns my biscuits...:(

I try to be a good steward of my wilderness areas, and I know most of you do too...don't you wish everyone did?
 
I hate people with no respect for their surroundings and the fact that other people may want to use that land later.

Effing morons.
 
I agree 100% with the trash problem. No respect. Question why did you cut the large section of bark off that Burch tree? Did you cut all the way around it? I am afraid you might have killed it just playing around with your knife.
 
I have a sister that lives on the Northern California coast and the "immigrants" lets just say from the east (far east), are totally decimating the sea life. They pay no attention to size or amount limits. If it can't out run them they eat it.
 
It's hard to walk around any of the more popular AZ lakes/rivers and not see and smell people's leftovers. You'd think people waited all week to go to the bathroom until they got out to the waterside.
 
I wondered too about the birch bark. Is there a season for gathering bark to lessen impact on the tree? Does it even damage the tree?
After the May floods in TN last year, I helped with clean-up at a local lake. High water had dumped debris everywhere. This is what it looked like.

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LG&M said:
I agree 100% with the trash problem. No respect. Question why did you cut the large section of bark off that Burch tree? Did you cut all the way around it? I am afraid you might have killed it just playing around with your knife.
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Quite true. Now this is an interesting ethical dilemma and may be fodder for a future thread if you so desire. I chose that tree in that spot with forethought. Feel free to voice your opinion in an ethical debate as you raise a good point.
 
Guyon said:
I wondered too about the birch bark. Is there a season for gathering bark to lessen impact on the tree? Does it even damage the tree?

Great questions and one that could be persued. I see pro and con sides to removing bark. Any opinions\comments are welcome.
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My question really wasn't a critique. To practice certain skills in the wild, we're going to have an impact.
That's just a given. How much of an impact is going to be an individual choice, hopefully based on forethought and some ethics.
However, I was mainly looking for more intel on birch trees. I just don't know much about them beyond their use by Native-Americans.
 
I was under the impression, (probly read it somewhere) that you could cut sections like that off birch's without permanent damage as long as you didn't Cut a ring all the way around the trunk. I may be wrong as I'm no expert but i'm damn sure not smart enough to have made that up myself.
 
You guys are spot on about killing trees by cutting the bark all around. Trees use only a small amount of their exterior growth to move vital nutrients between the leaves (energy production centers) and the roots (energy storage area). The center of the tree doesn't really do anything nutritionally and is more of a support feature. I think that the vascular type material can be around a 1/2" to an inch or two thick, maybe more, I'm not a botany guy so don't quote me. This said, there may be a difference when taking bark from a birch tree due to the unusual nature of it's outer surfaces. In other words, look it up with specific reference to birch trees. On other trees, to cut a ring around it is one sure-fire way to kill it, essentially starving it to death by cutting the trees "arteries and veins". The only question here is the depth of the cuts needed to do the irreparable damage.
 
As a property owner, I have to say I dont allow anyone to fish on my land other than friends, and family. At least twice a year, I run into a trespasser who is willing to brandish a gun, or knife when i approach them, and let them know that the bobwire, and no trespassing signs are pretty good features to let then know they are some place they shouldnt be. I spent almost 10 grand to bobwire 600 acres to keep my family safe from these people. Its sad that I have to make sure I grab an assault rifle, and load it in my side by side before telling someone they are trespassing. Even with that said I find tons of trash left by those that I didnt see on the property.
 
just shoot them, cover them in leef mold, and move on. nobody will care in 10 or 100 but in 1000 years, anthropoligists might, but you'll be dead :)

cough
 
You can skin a trespasser and not kill them as long as you don't cut a ring of skin all the way around their body.
 
I have birch trees in my yard. I can tell you with experience that you can pull small pieces off without doing any damage. You don't need much anyway. A few inches can usually be pulled off and then using your blade, scrape/scuff the back to create a small lump of shavings. If done correctly they will still be attached to the bark which is useful for windy conditions. This will catch a spark easily. Once it flames turn it sideways to catch the rest of the bark. Place it in your nesting material and then standard fire building from there. A piece as large as the picture is completely unnecessary. My trees for instance can have some bark harvested without exposing any of the inner meat of the tree.
 
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