Busse Challenge Coin?!?

[KnifeAddictAK]

You could also add a rule like...you must have your own coin in order to challenge someone else.

You must take out your challenge coin and yell out a challenge. If you drop your coin, you have annitiated (sp?) an accidental challenge.

I'll get on the rules tonight. Artists? WHERE ARE YOU GUYS?!?

If Jerry gives the okay, I'll research and see what I can come up with.:thumbup:

 

[Guyon]

I'm in. Sounds like fun.

...until I have to buy a round for a roomful of HOGs.

 

[InsuranceGuy]

Guys, guys, guys. The rules are the rules. Challenge coin rules have existed for eons. Don't mess with them. Just design and make the coin.

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

Guys, guys, guys. The rules are the rules. Challenge coin rules have existed for eons. Don't mess with them. Just design and make the coin.

Only thing I would change would be the time to 60 seconds or 30 seconds. Everything else is basically what I am going on in regards to the original rules. Just changing the wording to fit hogs and piglets

 

[Guyon]

Only thing I would change would be the time to 60 seconds or 30 seconds. Everything else is basically what I am going on in regards to the original rules. Just changing the wording to fit hogs and piglets

At least 45 seconds...

Hogs sometimes have a lot of pockets to search.

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

And make it something cool

 

[Tyrkon Lawson]

If there were ever a Blade South West then I'd be real interested in said coin!

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

This isn't just for shows.. This is for bumping into another person at the market, on the street, etc...

 

[idahoskunk]

i want one!! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

 

[rbmcmjr]

For those of you wondering what a Challenge Coin looks like, here are the three that have been issued on... a different forum. Personally, I would prefer the round format with some sort of engraved/inletted image and no lacquer. I'll work on some images and share them later.

We could consider special show badges too, like the ones the serious hogs have gotten.

 

[JWBirch]

Some coins trump other coins.
If you want to coin someone with your unit (or knife club or forum affiliation) coin, and get a Sergeant Major of the Army or Comandant of the Corps coin in return, you'll humbly put your coin away and buy that man a drink. In terms of Busse, if you pull a Busse coin and someone pulls The Folder, he wins!
A coin is your uniform when you're out of uniform, so to say. Never get caught out of uniform.

Another thing, a coin should be earned. There's various ways to earn a coin, and the interpretation could actually be loose, but bellying up to a glass shelf and telling the shopkeeper, "I'll have that one" certainly doesn't cut it. You have to earn the right to buy it if it isn't given to you. If you're a stockbroker and pull out an SF coin when challenged, because your brother left it to you after his ultimate sacrifice, you trump everyone.
Rules is rules. :yawn:

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

Some coins trump other coins.
If you want to coin someone with your unit (or knife club or forum affiliation) coin, and get a Sergeant Major of the Army or Comandant of the Corps coin in return, you'll humbly put your coin away and buy that man a drink. In terms of Busse, if you pull a Busse coin and someone pulls The Folder, he wins!
A coin is your uniform when you're out of uniform, so to say. Never get caught out of uniform.

Another thing, a coin should be earned. There's various ways to earn a coin, and the interpretation could actually be loose, but bellying up to a glass shelf and telling the shopkeeper, "I'll have that one" certainly doesn't cut it. You have to earn the right to buy it if it isn't given to you. If you're a stockbroker and pull out an SF coin when challenged, because your brother left it to you after his ultimate sacrifice, you trump everyone.
Rules is rules. :yawn:

Naturally, but I ain't going into some bar on base and yelling BUSSE COIN CHALLENGE

As for the earning, that's hard to say who has earned it. We could have the "earned" coin be the OINK coin, but if it trumps others, the piglets will go broke buying drinks for the hogs every five minutes and won't get any infi....


WAIT A TICK!!! THAT'S A GREAT IDEA!!! :thumbup:

 

[JWBirch]

Naaa, any unit or affiliation coin is as good as another within that unit or affiliation, generally speaking. But you should have a busse to go with your busse coin is all I's suggesting. But you may be onto something: would a dog-tag keep you from buing drinks post-challenge??? Those can only be bought from the C-store, after all...

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

Naaa, any unit or affiliation coin is as good as another within that unit or affiliation, generally speaking. But you should have a busse to go with your busse coin is all I's suggesting. But you may be onto something: would a dog-tag keep you from buing drinks post-challenge??? Those can only be bought from the C-store, after all...

Can you dumb that down for me? Seriously. I am running on lack of sleep and can't follow your simple paragraph.

And this is not a joke, rouse, etc... I'm just tired

 

[JWBirch]

Just keeping with the idea that a coin should be earned: you should have a busse knife if you're going to challange with a busse coin.
Then, in keeping with the idea that some coins can't keep you from buying the drinks, where does it stop? Can you pull a busse dogtag and get a drink for your efforts? Or does the coin trump the dogtag? One has to draw a line somewhere

 

[WalterDavis]

What KAAK, the salmon running? First time I was in AK (on vacation for a month at age 21) I don't think I could've read ANYTHING between fishing the Kenai, the Deschka, and the clubs in Anchorage!

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

Just keeping with the idea that a coin should be earned: you should have a busse knife if you're going to challange with a busse coin.
Then, in keeping with the idea that some coins can't keep you from buying the drinks, where does it stop? Can you pull a busse dogtag and get a drink for your efforts? Or does the coin trump the dogtag? One has to draw a line somewhere

My thought is the coin is all there is. I don't care if you have a folder, dog tag or what. Basically, if you own a busse and buy a coin, alright.

Example.... Five hogs in a room. I call challenge. One doesn't have his coin with him, then he buys. However, if he doesn't have a coin period, then the challenge doesn't apply to him. But, if all of the challenged hogs/piglets have a coin, then, by my outward and arrogant challenge, have to buy them a beer. Nothing expensive, just a coke or beer. Nothing adds to this or takes away from it. The only object in play for the challenge is the coin and the coin alone.

I call challenge, those with coins (Only coins) respond. Loser pays up, everyone has a good time. As for the earning, that's hard to say how that would work.

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

These are the rules that I found:

Note: A "Coin Check" consists of a Challenge and a Response.
1. RULES:
A. The challenge is initiated by drawing your coin, holding it in the air by whatever means possible and state, scream, shout or otherwise verbally acknowledge that you are initiating a coin check. Another, but less vocal method is to firmly place it on the bar, table, or floor (this should produce an audible noise which can be easily heard by those being challenged, but try not to leave a permanent imprint). If you accidentally drop your coin and it makes an audible sound upon impact, then you have just "accidentally" initiated a coin check. (This is called paying the price for improper care of your coin.)
B. The response consists of all those persons being challenged drawing their coin in a like manner.
C. If you are challenged and are unable to properly respond, you must buy a round of drinks for the challenger and the group being challenged.
D. If everyone being challenged responds in the correct manner, the challenger must buy a round of drinks for all those people they challenged.
E. Failure to buy a round is a despicable crime and will require that you turn-in your Coin to the issuing agency.
2. WHEN - WHERE:
A. Coin checks are permitted, ANY TIME, ANY PLACE.
3. EXCEPTIONS:
A. There are no exceptions to the rules. They apply to those clothed or unclothed. At the time of the challenge you are permitted one step and an arms reach to locate your coin. If you still cannot reach it -- SORRY ABOUT THAT!
4. A COIN IS A COIN

And here is the History of the challenge coin...

During World War 1, American volunteers from all parts of the country filled the newly formed flying squadrons. Some were wealthy scions attending colleges such as Yale and Harvard who quit in mid-term to join the war. In one squadron, a wealthy lieutenant ordered medallions struck in solid bronze and presented them to his unit. One young pilot placed the medallion in a small leather pouch that he wore about his neck.

Shortly after acquiring the medallions, the pilots’ aircraft was severely damaged by ground fire. He was forced to land behind enemy lines and was immediately captured by a German patrol. In order to discourage his escape, the Germans took all of his personal identification except for the small leather pouch around his neck. In the meantime, he was taken to a small French town near the front. Taking advantage of a bombardment that night, he escaped. However, he was without personal identification.

He succeeded in avoiding German patrols by donning civilian attire and reached the front lines. With great difficulty, he crossed no-man's land. Eventually, he stumbled onto a French outpost. Unfortunately, saboteurs had plagued the French in the sector. They sometimes masqueraded as civilians and wore civilian clothes. Not recognizing the young pilot's American accent, the French thought him to be a saboteur and made ready to execute him. He had no identification to prove his allegiance, but he did have his leather pouch containing the medallion. He showed the medallion to his would-be executioners and one of his French captors recognized the squadron insignia on the medallion. They delayed his execution long enough for him to confirm his identity. Instead of shooting him they gave him a bottle of wine.

Back at his squadron, it became tradition to ensure that all members carried their medallion or coin at all times. This was accomplished through challenge in the following manner - a challenger would ask to see the medallion. If the challenged could not produce a medallion, they were required to buy a drink of choice for the member who challenged them. If the challenged member produced a medallion, then the challenging member was required to pay for the drink. This tradition continued on throughout the war and for many years after the war while surviving members of the squadron were still alive.

Basically, this states it was a gift and not earned. With this, I must say this... I can't afford to give out coins such as he did and that it's not my place to give them out since it's Jerry's company. I am simply hoping that with his approval, we can embrace a tradition that seems to fit in with the Busse Family style. To place any type of "Rank" as it seems to have been done over the years with the military and others, is to rob people of the joy this tradition has brought.

After reading the history of the coin, my stance is:

Jerry and the hog council could deliberate who gets a coin. The problem with this is that there are wayyyyyyy too many hogs/piglets for them (IMO) to try and police the coin. However, if we were to have them made and someone wanted to purchase one, they have earned their right to it as they have seen the Busse family and wish to join. As for my earlier comment on 2 coins, I was wrong on that. The coin should be open to all as is this forum. If you pay, you play. But if you play, you play by the rules. Hogs are understanding and there isn't going to be strict enforcing of banning, excluding, etc.

I just think a challenge coin would be something contributing to Hogdom and would be enjoyable for all who want to participate as long as it's kept simple. Who knows, Jerry may even decide to use the coin as a way to give deals at shows. But that's not for me to say and is just a thought I had.


Too much writing... Let's drink

 

[RokJok]

My Busse challenge coin used to be a much-loved Assault Shaker toted around as a necker. These days it's a belted Game Warden sidekick I picked up at Blade West from the mighty Skunk. As long as it's INFI, it passes as a challenge coin in my world.

The trick with this sort of INFI challenge/response is to keep from getting arrested for "brandishing".

As for one coin trumping another, I guess a Silent Knight, Busse axe, or one of Jerry's early flinted steel knives is pretty close to the top of the heap, eh?

 

[KnifeAddictAK]

As for one coin trumping another, I guess a Silent Knight, Busse axe, or one of Jerry's early flinted steel knives is pretty close to the top of the heap, eh?

Yeah, but what if I were to pull Jerry over at a coin challenge? Then I would win always. I feel that coin only challenge works. Not one up'ing, just a "You have it or you buy" kind of fun.