Busse Combat Knives test at the Blade Show!

Speaking of the Busse stuff, I noticed someone selling a NIB Battle Mistress in the For Sale Forum! Snatch it up. I have a feeling the seller will regret selling it eventually!

Chris Canis
 
Kirk: thanks for responding to my previous quiestion.

Now for another question: what is the coating on the blades?
 
I was there and witnessed the cutting demostration from 400 to 1600 count! Pretty impressive, cut right thru like butter. Jerry was working up a sweet and I bet he shed a few pounds too
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Crunch, Crunch, Crunch. That is the sound of the rope cutting while I watched. Jerry passed 2000 while I was there. As jerry took a little break, Bob Taylor says, let me see that and grabbed the knife and tried to crunch the rope, Bob weighs less than my romping stomping 145 lbs and he made the cut but about had to jump up and down! I laughed my a** off. I have a distinct feeling that on the 4th of July Bob is going to use me for martial ats demonstrations! he he. The test was impressive to say the least, Jerry is a big guy and can make them knives cut! I said, "Jerry, this is really impressive, but I will be really impressed to see you weave all this rope back together!" He was too tired to chase me at that time,
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Besides an impressive test, Jerry and his wife are very nice folks!

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If you really want to test how good the edge is, let a flyweight weakling perform the test, so we'll know it was the properties of the knife that makes us say "wow", and not the physical prowess of the guy doing the cutting. If you put enough weight on the spine, even a dull knife can be forced through a piece of rope.

Not that I disbelieve the reports, or that I doubt the integrity of the people doing the tests. I'm just trying to illuminate some potential gray areas.

CJ: Like butter? (Has anyone actually tried to cut a piece of rope with a stick of butter?)
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David Rock
 
David, you do make a good point. If Jerry has a really good grip and a strong forearm then he could push the knife through the rope with high control. This is far, far less wear than if you are sawing or pushing and the edge is not going straight through.

However that does still seems like a large number of cuts to me, even if Jerry has a lower arm than can alternate as a jackhammer. Maybe Sal could comment on what kind of wear resistance that indicates as he has seen the results of a lot of testing similar to that.

It would be interesting to see a side by side comparasion in this respect (and others) with the INFI against a well known steel so we could better judge the performance. I would imagine Mike is going to do this.

-Cliff
 
The side by side comparison test will let me know the difference. I made several cuts with the same knife and it was not hard at all to cut. The hight of the table and Bob Taylor's weight is what made his cut more difficult. If the table had been lower I am sure he would have been able to cut with more force.

Of course when I test the Basic #9 against the Trailmaster, I will be conducting both test so it will be easier for me to tell the difference.

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Here are some pics!
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Jerry cut'n away!
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Still shaving after 2,000 cuts!
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Still slicing paper at 2,500 like butter!
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Lori counting each cut with me.
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2,771 cuts and we run out of rope. How much rope can this thing cut?

Who knows.....

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IMPRESSIVE....
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[This message has been edited by Dannyc (edited 19 June 1999).]
 
When will the Basic #9 be available for sale? I've never seen them in stores. Will they be custom ordered like the Battle Mistress? I hope not. I'd like to buy one but I hate to wait.
 
You can order them now for delivery in a bout a month. You may only see them in a few stores and you will see them at selected internet dealers.

I will start a Busse section in our links section under dealers sorted by brands carried.

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Mike, what can you tell us about the grip material? Is it more durable than other rubber grips? Is the tang full length/width?
Thanks, Ten
 
The tang is full length and the handle is made of Resiprene C which is a rubber like compound which is resistant to the harshest of environments.

Look towards my review here soon on the Handle materials of the Trailmaster and the Busse Basics (Kraton -vs- Resiprene C)

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I see he's using both hands and leaning his weight on the knife, but I think that's only so he doesn't get worn out with hours of cutting -- it can't be because the edge is dull because it still shaved after 2,000 cuts.

It takes some force to push even a sharp knife through an inch (2.54cm) of manila; I'm not surprised Bob Taylor had some difficulty especially if the table was too high for him. Busse probably made it look easier than it really was and Bob didn't push hard at first. The point is it still shaved after 2,000 inches of manila ... I'm impressed.

I'm not sure how much I'm impressed because I have no idea how much manila other knives can cut and still shave, though, and I don't expect I ever will know. One reason I like Cliff Stamp's reviews is he does tests I can duplicate without wasting money buying things to cut up. If Busse had tested on pine boards instead of rope or if he'd gotten an assistant to cut rope with a SAK at the same time he was cutting with his knife, then I would have a standard of comparison -- would I be more impressed or less? Who knows....

-Cougar Allen :{)
 
Cougar, you took the words right out of my mouth. It's important to notice that after 2000 cuts, the Busse did still shave hair, and keep on cutting. Leaning into the knife simply reminded me of every CPR class I sat through. You are taught to get over the patient, and use your back and arms to perform compressions, as simply using your arms can be fatiguing if you have to do CPR for an extended period of time.

As for benchmarks, I'm wondering if Mike has considered running this test when he gets to the Busse Basic #9 vs. the Trailmaster. This would give us an idea as to functional differences between the standard and "modified" INFI steel, and how well the Trailmaster holds up alongside it. Any thoughts, Mike?

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Don LeHue

The pen is mightier than the sword...outside of arm's reach. Modify radius accordingly for rifle.


 
The rope cutting test will be the first test preformed on both knives.

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Unless you intend to use a press to do the cutting, to make life a little easier you might want to consider more abrasive rope. You will be able to get the same performance ratio much faster. Plus, the less fatigued you are the more stable the results. I would guess that if Jerry had cut the rope in intervals of say 250, with a long rest period in between, the shaving point would have been much higher.

-Cliff
 
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