Busse expansion thoughts:

Snakeskin makes a GREAT user...

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Ankerson said:
I would like to see a few standard cataloge items that they would stock on a regular basis, 4 or 5 models would be nice. Ones we could order though the Busse Store. :)
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I absolutely agree with this. Having a few of the more popular models available all the time would not have much of an impact on the secondary market except for those specific models. For example, if the new bushwacker BM was made as a staple in the lineup, a NMFBM is not going to go down in price on the secondary market (maybe a tiny bit, but it would be a great balance between the two points- secondary market and availability of users).
 
You guys realize that Busse is more of an internet company! Putting a store in one place is just plain unfair to everyone else.
Although I have thought about moving to OH to be closer....
 
MustardMan said:
I've sold a few at a profit, so have certainly benefited from the secondary market, but I would be much happier with a severely flooded secondary market that destroyed the value of old knives, and made it easier for me to get blades I'm actually planning to use, not put in a safe or hoard to sell later.

I had to pass on an awesome SH-E at the trunk show, because the price was almost as high as secondary market prices on them, and I wanted to beat on the thing, not save it as an investment. If there were thousands of SH-E's out there, that would make it easy for me to get a tool, not a collectible or an investment, but a sharp object for cutting things. I'm all for that. :thumbup:
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DowntownDM said:
I couldn't possibly agree more. honestly, I'm still floored and a bit dumbfounded that people, lots of them apparently, actually collect and not use such useful tools and care about things such as secondary market values in a flippin' knife. it's a bizarre world, filled with odd choices, no doubt. but, to each their own I guess. I don't get it though.

thankfully, the Busse crew manages to cater to both groups well enough in most cases, with the new(er) version of old(er) knives being offered (like the BWM and such). personally, I'd love to see a mass re-issue of any and all Busse knives throughout history. secondary values be damned, if that's what it takes, but, of course, it'll never happen. one can dream though. ;)
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I couldn't disagree more, do not bring back the old knives. That would be like (and I don't mean the new "retro" versions) Chevrolet bringing back exact copies of the 1968 Camero or Ford a 1965 Mustang, Dodge a Superbird in the original versions at a low price just so everyone could have one. The auto collectors that paid $60,000 - $200,000 would really like that, just like the Busse collectors who paid well for their old original knives don't want to have theirs devalued. I don't want Busse to turn into a Cold Steel type company that offers inexpensive knives, there is a cost to owning the best things, be it a knife, a watch, a car, a house, etc. Part of the fun in collecting is the chase of finding the rare item, sometimes at a good price and sometimes having to pay a lot for the rarity, sorry. :grumpy:



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Well, that's what sets a knife collector apart from a knife user, I guess. I use my tools and could give half a crap about how collectible they are.

I don't expect my opinion to change anything about how Busse does business, or expect folks to stop collecting the knives, but that's not what I personally care about, so for my own interest in the knives, I say release them all.
 
coldsilence55 said:
I absolutely agree with this. Having a few of the more popular models available all the time would not have much of an impact on the secondary market except for those specific models. For example, if the new bushwacker BM was made as a staple in the lineup, a NMFBM is not going to go down in price on the secondary market (maybe a tiny bit, but it would be a great balance between the two points- secondary market and availability of users).
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The secondary market wasn't my point. ;)

My point was if they had like 5 models as standard Store offerings maybe more people would be buying those. They could pick 5 models they believe would sell very well.

Then keep doing as they are now for the rest and new models etc.

Personally about the secondary market I won't pay the 30% to 50% markup, it just won't happen...... ;)
 
See, what sets Busse apart from other is that it is one of the most highly collectible knives out there. If there are too many, they would not be as collectible. Jerry also doesn't want the company so big that he the quality and reputation of his company to go down. He even takes pride that he can be reached and will even talk to someone like me on the phone.
If he does things like Randall with a catalog, who here wants to wait over five years for a knife? Jerry is all over this forum and knows and is on top of what everyone is asking for, from a nice folder to what everyone is looking for in a new Busse knife. He is a brillent business man and I can see that. Keeping it small is what helps keeps it so he can see the feedback and know what to produce next.
Thus there is not one company that is like the Busse company at all. And yet is it well known and in high demand through the entire world. Busse is where it is today because of how Jerry has ran the company, and along with that the demand and the high quality. Give the man some credit... he sees all and knows what is going on.
I am sure him and his staff will read this and I give them props. They are all doing a great job!
 
randucci said:
I couldn't disagree more, do not bring back the old knives. That would be like (and I don't mean the new "retro" versions) Chevrolet bringing back exact copies of the 1968 Camero or Ford a 1965 Mustang, Dodge a Superbird in the original versions at a low price just so everyone could have one. The auto collectors that paid $60,000 - $200,000 would really like that, just like the Busse collectors who paid well for their old original knives don't want to have theirs devalued. I don't want Busse to turn into a Cold Steel type company that offers inexpensive knives, there is a cost to owning the best things, be it a knife, a watch, a car, a house, etc. Part of the fun in collecting is the chase of finding the rare item, sometimes at a good price and sometimes having to pay a lot for the rarity, sorry. :grumpy:




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Very well said!:thumbup:

I like to collect and love the challenge of the hunt. I also like to beat the crap out of them too. I guess I am kind of a hybrid which I gather many people here are. There are some knives that I really can not bring myself to use and that is not because I hope to hold value on them and sell them at some point just like I don't think a major car collector is looking to sell his favorites any time soon either. I see them as a fine piece of art that in case I need it to can be an indestructible tool.

To each his own I suppose.:cool::D
 
randucci said:
I couldn't disagree more, do not bring back the old knives. That would be like (and I don't mean the new "retro" versions) Chevrolet bringing back exact copies of the 1968 Camero or Ford a 1965 Mustang, Dodge a Superbird in the original versions at a low price just so everyone could have one. The auto collectors that paid $60,000 - $200,000 would really like that, just like the Busse collectors who paid well for their old original knives don't want to have theirs devalued. I don't want Busse to turn into a Cold Steel type company that offers inexpensive knives, there is a cost to owning the best things, be it a knife, a watch, a car, a house, etc. Part of the fun in collecting is the chase of finding the rare item, sometimes at a good price and sometimes having to pay a lot for the rarity, sorry. :grumpy:



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There is a read HUGE difference in something like a 1965 Mustang and a knife. ;)

Now if it was a knife that Jim Bowie carried personally then yeah OK I can see why it would be priceless. It's a one of a kind and truly valuable.


I really wouldn't want to see Busse release all their models as it wouldn't be practical to do that IMO. I wouldn't want them to turn into a mass production type company like Spyderco, that wouldn't be good.
 
Yea, Busse are for people that love to use their knives or to those that collect them. Like cars, some would not dare drive they 71 Hemi Cuda, and others are like what's the point in having a car if you are not going to drive it.
As for the secondary market, there is nothing that is highly collectible that the producers can do. Look at Hinderer, Randall, Ernie Emerson, the only thing the company can do it make them, sell them at a fair price to everyone and what it goes for on the secondary market is what it is.
Lets face it, lots of people here have more then one Busse, lots of them have multiple of one style and even the same color and just won't share... HOGS. And I want some, but its the hunt that keeps us wanting more. So if I am able to get what someone else wants, eventually that one person that has my one knife I want will cave in and trade me back my knife :) Got to keep the faith. Until then, the new ones are definaly creative and fun. To each their own.
 
Liu Kang said:
Yea, Busse are for people that love to use their knives or to those that collect them. Like cars, some would not dare drive they 71 Hemi Cuda, and others are like what's the point in having a car if you are not going to drive it.
As for the secondary market, there is nothing that is highly collectible that the producers can do. Look at Hinderer, Randall, Ernie Emerson, the only thing the company can do it make them, sell them at a fair price to everyone and what it goes for on the secondary market is what it is.
Lets face it, lots of people here have more then one Busse, lots of them have multiple of one style and even the same color and just won't share... HOGS. And I want some, but its the hunt that keeps us wanting more. So if I am able to get what someone else wants, eventually that one person that has my one knife I want will cave in and trade me back my knife :) Got to keep the faith. Until then, the new ones are definaly creative and fun. To each their own.
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Yeah really, anyone who would drive a 1970 Dodge Challenger RT in mint condition should be shot. That car is worth over 1 Million now.
 
randucci said:
I couldn't disagree more, do not bring back the old knives. That would be like (and I don't mean the new "retro" versions) Chevrolet bringing back exact copies of the 1968 Camero or Ford a 1965 Mustang, Dodge a Superbird in the original versions at a low price just so everyone could have one. The auto collectors that paid $60,000 - $200,000 would really like that, just like the Busse collectors who paid well for their old original knives don't want to have theirs devalued. I don't want Busse to turn into a Cold Steel type company that offers inexpensive knives, there is a cost to owning the best things, be it a knife, a watch, a car, a house, etc. Part of the fun in collecting is the chase of finding the rare item, sometimes at a good price and sometimes having to pay a lot for the rarity, sorry. :grumpy:



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I agree with Tim on this one.
If you want an old school Busse but don't want to pay collector price buy one of the new similar models.
SHMS vs Boss Street
SHSH vs NMFSNO
SHBM vs BWM
SH-1 vs ASH-1
SHBA vs SAR 4
 
Ankerson said:
Yeah really, anyone who would drive a 1970 Dodge Challenger RT in mint condition should be shot. That car is worth over 1 Million now.
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I have 1970 Challenger convertible. I'm putting a hemi in it and going to whip that around, but it's not ornigal, otherwise I'd just wash and wax that thing...
 
sigh.

having the best gear already costs plenty, thank you very much, as the best is already pretty pricey compared to the Cold Steels of the world. the rub happens when values are extremely artificially inflated due to collectability (which is different than regular supply and demand issues, however similar). I mean, seriously, see XM-18s/SHBMs/SHSJs/etc if you have any questions. they're not retardedly expensive because they're the best, they're retardedly expensive because too many people play it like a speculative market and f**k it up for the rest of the regular users... and any similar item taken out of circulation and stuck in a box to accumulate value is as wasteful as one can imagine for what is, simply, a tool meant to use. (one-off customs and fancy doodad-laden ones aside...)

and for sure, Jerry is an honest and brilliant business man... evidence of the American dream, and I have zero criticisms of he and the way he runs his business. further, I believe in a free market economy and ones ability to spend whatever they want on whatever they want, but certain extremes are ridiculous and counter productive (again, see XM-18s as one lone example) so to assert that Busse couldn't maintain the same quality while re-releasing old knives is folly and a ruse... you are (collectors I mean, not a jab at Ducci in any real way, nor anyone in particular), clearly, concerned with protecting your investment value, and it's just a shame people treat killer tools as such.

I'm just not built that way. I, too, enjoy the chase - in the sense that I have to seek out and find the best gear of all sorts. But I don't collect, anything in the context we're discussing here, and I don't ever think of such things as investments. For me, whether it's firearms, knives, tools, cars, whiskey, or whatever - it's just stuff to use, and I get all of my joy out of its use, not looking at it in a safe or selling it for a profit.

again, this isn't personally directed at anyone, Ducci or otherwise.

you guys (and gals) are good people, there are (unfortunately) just two completely different perspectives at play here. such is life.

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