Busse hype?

UffDa

UffDa

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Before I start, I want to make it clear that
I don't have an axe to grind <G> and I am not
trolling or looking for flames. I don't own
a Busse knife.

I have spent quite a bit of time reading about Busse's knives. Almost everyone seems
to love them. Here's my question. If the knives are so great, why do the edges chip
when used to chop wood? I can understand
chipping when a nail or rock is struck, but
not just a plain 2X4. Quality control? Steel
that isn't what it's said to be?

Maybe I'm missing something, but this Busse
thing reminds me a lot of Microsoft on a
much smaller scale. Gates became a billionaire selling products with a lot of
hype that mostly don't work as advertised.

Now let's see how many folks misread or
misunderstand what I just wrote.
 
UffDa, I own an old Busse Mean Street of A2 steel. You might have seen my review as well and possibly my future review of the A2 Police Recruit. The INFI steel series, I haven't touched yet, hopefully I can rectify that later.

If you're looking for an alternative, Livesay and Cold Steel are viable. I like the heft and thickness of the MS. For me, it's a chance to play around with quality tools. Do I expect perfection? No but quality.

Perhaps you're right on the Microsoft comparison but I think there are other companies that fill that description better.
 
The blade should not chip out from chopping on wood. If it does you might want to discuss the issue with Busse Combat. To be specific *if* my BM chipped out under similar stress I would email Busse Combat and ask if it was the predicted behavior, cc'ing a copy to the dealer. Assuming they said no I would ask for a replacement and the dealer being a decent guy would immediately offer to pay any shipping costs for me having to deal with a defective blade.

-Cliff
 
I do not recall reading a post where that happened when chopping wood ONLY...please reference the specific post. If it is available, I would like to read it...REALLY.

In all of the Busse Knives I have used and used hard in the past twelve years, the edges have NEVER chipped when used to chop wood. In fact, I have demonstrated Busse's edge strength to friends and potential customers by cutting into annealed steel.

Have you been reading alot about Busse Combat because you are in the market for a knife? What is the purpose of your post?

As far as your Microsoft illustration, Mr. Gates became a millionaire by orienting his operating systems and applications to be THE standard software that home PC's and business PC's run on, where avoidance of either causes a condition of non-standardization and less functionality than the rest of the technological world.

I don't think Busse Combat is out to change the knife world so that using another knife would cause a general protection fault.

Busse's knives DO work as advertised...as do many Microsoft products.

Andy
 
I own several Busses in infi, and mod infi, and have had no problem with chipping while chopping wood.

I have read no posts that mention that problem.

Sounds like a troll to me.

Thomas Zinn
 
I have now tested 3 Busse's made of INFI. Non have chipped in any way.
My testing was very harsh on the Busse and Trail Master. Before I broke the tips I went around and whacked everything I could find. No chips on either the Busse or the Cold Steel. The 2X4 I tested on was Spruce and not soft Pine like most people test on.

In fact the edge is so damn thick because of the convex type grind I can't see it chipping. If it does you can bet your ASS Busse will stand behind "their" knife.

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-Greg
 
Greg, yes, that is why I suggested what I did in the above. Just as important as the results is how the maker responds to it. If you do have a problem with a Busse blade you should definately give Busse Combat a chance to solve it before painting them in a negative light.

-Cliff
 
I've had my INFI Steel Heart since spring. Used it on several camping trips for all sorts of general camp chores, including "rounding out" an odd-shaped fire pit, and yes, there were rocks in the dirt. Just recently used it to help, well "dismantle" (read "completely gut") some old kitchen cabinets to add sliding shelves, and I was not gentle at all with the knife. It came in contact several times with nails that was holding the structure together, and while I don't know exactly how much impact the blade endured (or how "hard" the nails were), there is no chipping at all along the edge of the blade, and yes, I did look closely. Granted, it's not as sharp as it was when I received it, but it's certainly not chipped, and the blade coating is also holding up well.

I think to allude to widespread chipping problems might be premature or a bit inflammatory, at least from what I've seen here in the forums.

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Dear Dennis Levy, ( AKA UffDa)

I understand that you are a gunsmith. I have heard that many of the guns you have worked on have exploded in people’s hands. Now I can understand a gun blowing up in someone’s hand if it is firing an improperly loaded reload but these were supposedly factory produced rounds. Now I’m not a troll and I don’t have an axe to grind because I don’t even own one of your guns, I was just wondering if this was normal? I’ve heard the hype about your guns being great performers but I am now wondering if you’re not very much like the makers of the now infamous Rogak 9mm. Lots of hype and poor performance. I know that I haven’t substantiated my statements but then this is the Internet and all I have to do is make the accusation and you can spend your valuable time trying to defend yourself. I'm sure that it would have been more professional on my part to contact you in person but then I think it's kinda fun watching you scramble to your defense.

Dennis, How do you like an unprovoked attack on your craftsmanship? Shame on you! As a fellow craftsman (if that is actually what you do) you should have been a little more courteous. If you had a real concern over this matter you should have e-mailed me personally instead of trying to get something “going.” I searched out your previous posts and found the following:


“I think a little
common COURTESY would have gone a long way.
I'm not the sensitive type, but this kind of
pissed me off.”
Dennis (UffDa)


Dennis, if you do reap what you sow. . . ouch! Know this, if anyone actually has a problem with their Busse Combat Knife they can rest assured that it is covered by our warranty. If anyone doubts our performance claims they can watch us duplicate and often surpass our performance claims LIVE in front of an audience! Not just on video. We are the only production knife manufacturer who duplicates these tests live. We’ve done them in Atlanta, Cleveland, Nashville, Columbus, and Las Vegas. We will continue to do them LIVE for as long as our insurance carrier allows! Any manufacturer who thinks it’s all hype about our knives is invited to duplicate their own tests LIVE! There are lots of look alikes, but so far there have been no perform alikes. We’ll be at the BLADE Show in Atlanta, come on down and watch it happen in person. After you’ve seen us duplicate our tests you can feel free to flap your gums all you like because you’ll have actual first hand experience. Until then consider how much damage your personally unsubstantiated claims can do to a fellow craftsman’s reputation.

Yours in nuclear toughness,

Jerry Busse

 
Usually I try to avoid pissing contests. But BRAVO Mr. Busse. Nicely said.

db
 
I have no intention of getting involved in a pi**ing contest with anyone-I don't feel like getting wet. What I do want to say is that Mr. Busse energetic response is great encouragement to me. I've just ordered a Basic #7 (my first Busse, and I've only seen pictures, never handled one) and Mr. Busse's comments give me a certain amount of confidence; something not all knife makers instill in me.

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WOW!! Mr. Busse has put on quite a preformance. That was perhaps one of the most informed, well-written, and justifed posts I've ever seen here. I just love pissing contests. Perhaps the chant "Jer-ry Jer-ry," wasn't really destined for a trashy TV talk show after all.

UffDa, actually try to consider what he says, and what you say. Perhaps if you had read your post after writing it, you'd understand why it is offensive. You need to think in advance to saying these things. Posting a lame disclaimer--"Before I start, I want to make it clear that
I don't have an axe to grind and I am not
trolling or looking for flames," or "Now let's see how many folks misread or
misunderstand what I just wrote," doesn't cut it. Making guns that misfire isn't so cool, either. Heh heh.

Get some common sense. As for me, I might go get a Busse knife!

Gator



[This message has been edited by Gator (edited 10 December 1999).]
 
WOW,

Well said Jerry, the only thing that I can add is that if this guy was looking to start some s**t, he got a face full.

I really don't understand folks that seem to take such joy on causing others to suffer elevated blood pressures by throwing out comments that seem to be designed to tick you off.

I believe that everyone should formulate their comments on their actual experiences, and keep quiet if they don't know what they are talking about.

Love your knives, Jerry, keep them coming

Thomas Zinn
 
My Busse Combat #9 has a important place with my deployment gear and for now rests in a winter survival pack that goes with me everywhere.

Me be sold on the quality of Busse knives, and I'm a real hard jerk to please.

Jer-ry Jer-ry Jer-ry Jer-ry
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This thread is classic - I am buying the Busse I have been deliberating on tonight, thanks Jerry.
 
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