Bussecraft awareness..the AD etc

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Hi All,

I love the W&S section here on the forum, and have been surprised to not see more reviews/feedback of Busse Kin over there. (Just as much my fault as anyone's).
The reason I mention that is I love the woods, and long before I found a love for Busse, I was frequenting there..the land of the fixed blade..and once I discovered Busse, and used them, was shocked that there were not more reviews there..now to my point..

I just posted a quick review of the AD over there as a great general purpose woods/survival EDC, and would appreciate it if any of you can share your thoughts/experiences/ pics etc with it, especially if you have an AD, BAD etc that has seen some woods time..I know there are other members there that have considered Busse as an option, or maybe never have considered it seriously, and am looking at this as an opportunity to bring more to the trough concerning the smaller offerings a little more associated with Bushcraft.

Take it easy, and thanks
 
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i had no idea what this post was about nor what 'w&s' denominated, but after uyotg provided the link to barrabas' review i found it rather quite informative... some 'bushcrafters' seem to regard busse/infi blades as little more than hype and yet gladly use tangless, cheap blades to stake their lives on hehe... to each his own and if you can make your way through extended time in wilderness and inclement weather with a $15 blade to build your shelter, multiple fires, and anything else ya need to survive without breaking your blade, more power to ya... it's good to see a bushcraft/wilderness fan and not the typical so-called 'fan boy' of busse give a busse blade rave reviews and highest marks imo....
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In terms of the needs of bushcraft, a lot of the qualities of Busse knives and Infisteel are pointless. Keep in mind, bushcraft is not synonymous with survival and the needs are different for each. I have thrashed the hell out of a Mora, btw. I have used a steel hammer to baton it through Eastern Hornbeam with no problems. It's one of the shortest tanged models too.

I'm not coming into the Busse home to talk trash. I think they make great knives, but they aren't really optimized for bushcraft. The main purpose if a bushcraft knife is wood working, which even in Barrabas' review the AD needed work to do well. But that's not a bad thing, unless your intent was to use if for this purpose. A tool the price of the SBT or AD should be ready for it's intended duty as soon as it leaves the factory, right? And they are.

You're not wrong in using the AD as a bushcraft either. It's a fine knife, and I'm glad you're happy with it.

The Fairbairn-Sykes knife doesn't get much play in the W&S forum either. I bet you could make some feather sticks with one of those too...
 
In terms of the needs of bushcraft, a lot of the qualities of Busse knives and Infisteel are pointless. Keep in mind, bushcraft is not synonymous with survival and the needs are different for each. I have thrashed the hell out of a Mora, btw. I have used a steel hammer to baton it through Eastern Hornbeam with no problems. It's one of the shortest tanged models too.

I'm not coming into the Busse home to talk trash. I think they make great knives, but they aren't really optimized for bushcraft. The main purpose if a bushcraft knife is wood working, which even in Barrabas' review the AD needed work to do well. But that's not a bad thing, unless your intent was to use if for this purpose. A tool the price of the SBT or AD should be ready for it's intended duty as soon as it leaves the factory, right? And they are.

You're not wrong in using the AD as a bushcraft either. It's a fine knife, and I'm glad you're happy with it.

The Fairbairn-Sykes knife doesn't get much play in the W&S forum either. I bet you could make some feather sticks with one of those too...

first, just to clarify regarding your penultimate sentence above:
i'm not the original poster, and i myself don't own a busse ad nor any busse - at least not yet - and due to disability am no longer able to actively practice any extended outdoor activities which might be defined as 'bushcraft'.... i simply found the op's review as a nice, refreshing change from the more typical bushcrafter's opinion that the busse/infi phenomenon is little more than hype....

having said this i also see your point... to a errrr... point hehe....
i suppose our potential differences of opinion here, regarding whether a busse/infi blade makes a good bushcraft tool or not, lie primarily with what one defines as the so-called 'bushcraft', but not exclusively... to some, it'll very much encompass the hard core, extreme aspects of survival/sere scenarios [shelter construction from scratch, food procurement, obtaining various resources from nature/environment, complete game dressing, weapon/hunting tool if neccessary, et al]... for others it'll be more akin to wilderness camping/field activities with far more resources already on hand.... i [as a non-practicing laic] myself define it broadly, to include the former and thus, unless one has an axe or another h/d blade/tool also on hand, in an extreme scenario where a small blade would be one's primary useful tool i'd pick a busse ad over a mora [or over any blade which isn't constructed to bulletproof standards] anyday, everytime...
as i've stated above already in different terms, if one can use a sub $20 knife to slice, cut, chop, split, drill, pry and hammer his way through an extreme scenario without damaging the knife, more power to him...

if one defines 'bushcraft' as you do, then a mora blade will likely be a more comfortable tool for most tasks... especially if one has a h/d back up tool for real chopping/splitting/prying....
i think that the op made a point that he loves his ad as an 'edc' which can also do a bang up job as a bushcraft tool... and, it's a far more versatile blade than just for a single purpose too.... although i might be wrong, i don't want to put words in his mind he didn't say hehe...

it's a busse forum, he thought busse folk would find his review of interest [i did, and i'm still a busse ignoramus] so he posted a link here... i commented that i found it informative and dig the fact that unlike many - albeit not all - other bushcraft enthusiiasts, here's one who absolutely loves his infi blade.... if i wanted to start a flame war, i'd post my comment under a dedicated bushcraft forum, or even under his original review.... i wasn't looking to start an argument or a discussion....

as far as hammering a mora with a steel hammer....nothing against moras, but i'd take a busse-kin [in fact i'd go with many other 4" - 6" blades over it, such as those by esee, bark river and even a particular cs, benchmade or ka-bar model] anyday for a single all around blade choice and wouldn't regret it.... to each his own and although i have nowhere near the practical experience in bush/field for extended time as many bushcrafters do, i have a personality that's more 'sere/survival' oriented.... and just to throw the fairbairn-sykes dagger argument around [hehe, i just love a logical argument] vs. the hammering of mora.... look, one could hammer a well honed stainless steel butter knife through a proportionally sized log if one did it keeping the weak points of such a crappy 'tool' in mind... that doesn't make a butter knife as rugged a tool//knife as a busse.... or a mora even, just to make the point... and if honed to extremely sharp edge wiith a belt sander, one could slice some impressive feathersticks with it too... for a short while anyway... but a bleedin' butter knife is rarely a choice mentioned as a tool in ANY knife forums either; save for some culinary/table manners ones i suppose... i'm throwing this back at you only because i don't dig many such 'analogous examples' often quoted by either of sides in similar polemics on-line... it doesn't prove any point because using variations of such examples one can easily make a point for either side, using flawed logic....

i get it, a thicker busse blade with tough infi [that isn't the best choice for frequent razor sharp, intricate slicing], will not be the perfect tool for many exact, inticate cutting that's part of the so-called bushcraft [not by my definition of it].... afaik, it isn't its main design goal either... a sharp mora might very well be a better choice for most in such a scenario at 1/20th the price....

but.... for an extended, hard core out in the sticks scenario where one is faced with having only a single blade to depend on any tasks involved, to choose a mora over a much more rugged blade [busse, et alia] even in similar size is simply illogical imo so i'll allways disagree with those who think that busse product is a hype...or that any blade longer than 4" or thicker than a mora is a silly excess... the icons of bushcrafting [ray mears, kochanski or even cody lunden] opinions notwithstanding.... they might well be served completely with having only a short and relatively thin blade out in the sticks through mastering the art of doing most with the least, but i'll be able to do a lot more with a more rugged blade to keep my stupid ass alive than i could with a mora; or a similar knife design....

co-incidentally, i'm still awaiting my first busse/infi as i've placed an order for one only recently.... and until i'll find one particular moodel that will best fit my definition of a rugged 'one' knife, my current favorite all around bushcraft/survivor/field blade is bark river's bravo 1; in 3v steel... not much larger than a mid to large size mora but hell of a lot 'mora' [sorry, couldn't resist a silly pun] rugged and versatile imo.... but since it's just a tad too long overall to edc in my waist pack, at present i edc an izula... that little but mighty thing could keep up with moras in most tasks yet take on some real h/d ones that would likely render a mora damaged/broken past the tang.... i also have a wetterlings half-axe, refinished by bark river and i'd choose to have that with me anytime i'd be out in the sticks as much as any blade.... but that's just digressing....

damn, i really didn't want this to turn into the ubiquitous, typical mora vs [insert here any name/model of esee, busse, brkt, black blade, etc.] debate.... there will NEVER be a winner in such because it's purely subjective..... and i apologize for hijacking this post i probably just should've kept silent hehe.......
 
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Scouter, I can see your perspective, and respect it, but for me, and I'd venture to say, many others..a bushcraft knife is about having a tool that can meet a variety of needs..one blade's seeming perfection in one area, may result in a relative shortcoming in another..that's why I mentioned that if had to pick one, it would be the AD, because it is meets the criteria of many different potential needs I could (and have seen many times) in either the woods, or more appropriately, the places I am in normally.. it's all relative to what works for you, and what you want/expect/need/desire out of a blade..that's why there are so many choices to pick from..same thing for the definition of "bushcraft"..many different perspectives on what constitutes that, given your experience, or mode of thought.

Concerning the profile work, (again stressing IMHO:-))that's another good point of the advantage of the AD, given this specific conversation..I have the option to take it as low as I want..conversely..I don't have that ability with a scandi...I can't add more steel behind that edge to give more resilience..not trying to be argumenative here, just stressing it's all a matter of perspective..and from my perspective, I think the AD is the perfect EDC, and provides the versatility I have been looking for, given a one blade scenario where you don't have the options to have many specialized tools..I posted over there because it is a survival forum as well..(where I have learned, and continue to learn so much from) and when considering a potential "survival situation"..where despite what we like to think, more than likely what we have on us, at the time of a need, is what we have to survive with, not the things that we have to get too..another reason why the AD is a winner in my book..it is here, not in a BOB, not in the trunk..it can support me now, if/when I need it, with a profile that meets (again IMHO) many different potential cutting needs of various types.

In terms of the needs of bushcraft, a lot of the qualities of Busse knives and Infisteel are pointless.

I'd have to respectfully disagree with you on this.. good steel, full tang construction, ergos that lend to extended use, edge retention, and versatility are part of what many have defined as key elements in a bushcraft knife.
But again, some define a bushcraft knife, as whatever knife you have in the bush (depending on your definition of Bush is:-))..and I would not argue that point either..as see the validity...many with much greater experience than what I have, have had great dialogue on the whole subject, and have respectfully disagreed on some points..my review is just based on my experience as a a guy who loves to hunt/fish/camp and play in the woods whenever the opportunity presents itself, and had been looking for a knife that could meet those needs, as well as the day-to-day, without causing me a second thought :thumbup:.

Be well, and peace to you.. btw, you must have some mad skills to do with that Mora on a repeated basis..to quote Lord Vader "impressive..most impressive.."
 
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I wasn't trying to start anything, but it seems I have.

I think the primary problem is that the term "bushcraft" has been perverted by overuse.

I have researched this, because of this phenomenon, and it seems that the "proper" word comes from British colonists in Africa and Australia, where what we in the US the wilderness, the bush. What we would refer to as Woods-craft, they called Bush-craft.

Yes, I'm a geek like that. Semantics is important to me.

In bushcraft proper, we would have a knife and other appropriate tools, such as an axe, saw, etc. We know this because bushcraft is typically premeditated.


Survival skills have their place, and there is significant overlap between the two, but they are not quite the same. Using your test as an example, making feathersticks is a great trick, needs a keen edge to do right and impresses the internet masses, but it's wholly unnecessary for starting a fire. Chips and shavings do the job just as well and take much less time to make. I say this because it would be nice to see some consistency in logic here. You say you want a knife that's good for one-tool survival, but feathersticks are not something you will ever need in a survival situation.
 
Scouter..bro..you have not started anything :cool:..we are just sharing perspectives, and I am the wiser for hearing yours..we are cool, my man.

Survival skills have their place, and there is significant overlap between the two, but they are not quite the same. Using your test as an example, making feathersticks is a great trick, needs a keen edge to do right and impresses the internet masses, but it's wholly unnecessary for starting a fire. Chips and shavings do the job just as well and take much less time to make. I say this because it would be nice to see some consistency in logic here. You say you want a knife that's good for one-tool survival, but feathersticks are not something you will ever need in a survival situation.

Again, matter of opinions here, but, if for the sake of argument, I only had a knife in the woods and needed to make a fire..the test comes on when the woods wet..the same qualities required for feather sticks are required to get to the dry stuff..which you need if you are going to get to dry shavings/chips..that will ignite, and subsequently sustain the fire before it is is big enough to handle the moisture from other wood that has been exposed to the rain..;).
 
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scouter, it would help if you'd include at least part of the quotation of the post to which you're replying, within your replies... otherwise there's a good chance of confusion and superfluous replies from people who might perceive that your posts pertain to their own hehe...

i have posted my most recent diatribe above as my reply to your first entry because yours is quite obviously a post pertaining mostly to my original comment on this thread, regarding mora vs busse, et alia... and you referred to barrabas' post in third person while addressing [i'm assuming] myself, in first....

consequently, your subsequent reply below my and barrabas' posts respectively, addresses whittling the so-called feathersticks as an unneccessary part of 'survival' scenario in creating a fire...
i never mentioned that feathersticks are a neccessary part of fire making/prep, only made my own analogy to yours [i.e. fairbairn sykes dagger] as a reply stating that a butter knife could be honed to make some mean feathersticks as well... you're the first who mentioned feathersticks in this thread - as far as i can discern - therefore i'm assuming that your subsequent post must be referring to barrabas' initial review on w&s subforum where he used both knives to carve some... if you're anal about semantics and logic, some clarification with regards to which post you're addressing would be most helpful, and quoting one is usually the easiest way to do so....
i've said my piece btw and i'm done....
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I didn't refer to you in first person, I only refer to myself in first person. I'm not sure what you mean by that. I'm not anal about anything. I developed beyond Freud's anal stage around age 3, as most people do.

I wasn't responding to any post specifically, just replying in general. I used the feathersticks as an example to make my point, nothing more.

Again, matter of opinions here, but, if for the sake of argument, I only had a knife in the woods and needed to make a fire..the test comes on when the woods wet..the same qualities required for feather sticks are required to get to the dry stuff..which you need if you are going to get to dry shavings/chips..that will ignite, and subsequently sustain the fire before it is is big enough to handle the moisture from other wood that has been exposed to the rain..;).

That's what I'm trying to say though. Bushcraft is a specific thing. It was developed as a sort of game for people who enjoy the outdoors. You wouldn't say that the rules of chess are open to opinion, would you? Maybe it's different because there's no governing force in bushcraft. I just think the term has become much more broad than it was originally intended to be.
 
Gentlemen,
This has the potential to be a very useful and informative thread, or the potential to get nasty really fast. Opinions are welcome but lets not make it personal.

Garth
 
To me, survival is what happens when bushcraft didn't work out as well as you'd hoped.

I'd like my bushcraft knife to be able to take a beating, in case I find myself in a situation that requires it.

My favourite outdoors blade is a Busse Boss Jack, and my wife uses a Busse BAD. I'm sure there are many blades out there that can do an excellent job as well... those are simply the ones that I take out.
 
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i'm still awaiting my first busse/infi as i've placed an order for one only recently.... and until i'll find one particular moodel that will best fit my definition of a rugged 'one' knife, my current favorite all around bushcraft/survivor/field blade is bark river's bravo 1; in 3v steel

Jerzy, i look forward to your perspective once you get it..which model did you order?

To me, survival is what happens when bushcraft didn't work out as well as you'd hoped.

Walk..we are totally on the same page..well said.
 
barrabas - i ordered the tglb in competition finish, with black paper scales and black spec-ops/tactical sheath.... the 'ad' is a kickass edc blade btw imo based on specs and what i've read about it thus far.... when i'm ready to squeeze the trig on a replacement for my edc izula, it'll be at the top of a short list....

garth, speaking for myself, i think we're all cool here... i'm not taking any offense nor mean to give any... just speaking my mind hehe...

scouter, my error...a freudian slip of sort... i meant 'second person'... ok, if anal is offensive to ya [i''m anal about certain things myself] the i'll use a term you used yourself with regards to self instead: geeky about semantics and in favor of logic.... hehe, better?...
again, as i've stated in my direct reply to you, the differences of our opinions lie primarily in our definitions of 'bushcraft'.... it IS a busse forum after all and i simply commented favorably on barrabas' review... i really don't care for hijacking a topic nor inciting any arguments, i agree to disagree with you on the subject and now i''m done...
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cheers everyone... and now i gotta go and make a paypal payment as i've just bought myself a pristine rmd le on exchange here....
 
Personally I liked the review Barrabas! I enjoy bushcraft, so much, that the last time I went camping, I pretended I was Ray Mears & wove a wreath out of a muscadine vine. LOL However I also appreciate a really good knife made of good steel. Hence why I usually carry 2 Busse's when I'm in the woods. A basic 11 on my pack & a SAR6 on my hip. Not soon enough, I'll have that 3" busse I've been dreamin' of!
 
I see it like this: I have used, do use, and will use a great variety of knives in the great outdoors. I get what I like, use some, and collect some.

I have been literally snubbed for my gear choices, but I will NOT disparage someone for their gear choices, bar none.

Thin knives, thick knives, big knives, little knives, I just like knives. Whomever judges me because of the knife I carry or use, well, they can just eat a pine cone. :p
 
Getting back to the OP's main point ... I have done a number of posts comparing my smaller Busse blades with other blades, usually all customs, and doing some carving tasks to enable the comparison to be made.


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...all-Knife-Carve-Off-quot-Infi-v-the-Rest-quot


If all the knives are sharp ... then they can all do the tasks ... and there is a lot of truth in a simple statement like that ... the more you use smaller knives the more you realise for the majority of tasks all you need is for the knife to be sharp ...

Extended use brings into play "comfort" and discerning comparisons show the differences in "ease of accomplishment" of the tasks ... these really are what we talk most about when comparing knives ... that and perhaps how much strength is in a design ...

The later point seems to me to only be relevant if we need to use a knife in an emergency for a purpose it may not primarily be intended for ...

The fact is though that in an emergency you will either have the tools to help you deal with it ... or you won't ...

Those who like a Busse to help meet such risks ... then from multiple trials using these blades you will have one of the toughest knives out there ...

For those who want to use other knives to meet those risks ... then "good luck" and let's hope they work when they need to ...

But for the majority of tasks ... any knife that is sharp will accomplish the tasks ... and for this reason many knives can be chosen to do them ...
 
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