Buyer Beware !!!

zinn1348 said:
I've purchased my last Spyderco.

I will not support an American Company that does the Chinese business thing.

For you folks that will attack this, go ahead.

It's not a thing about how nice or good the Chinese people are.

It is about American businesses that betray the American consumer and workers.

This also applies to other companies that would do the same as Spyderco.


Thomas Zinn

Do you support foriegn companies that do the American thing like Honda or Toyota or is everything you own All American?
 
zinn1348 said:
I've purchased my last Spyderco.

I will not support an American Company that does the Chinese business thing.
This also applies to other companies that would do the same as Spyderco.

Thomas Zinn
...And I guess this means that you have also "purchased your last Benchmade"?, since their Red-Class of knives is also made in China...
 
glockman99 said:
...And I guess this means that you have also "purchased your last Benchmade"?, since their Red-Class of knives is also made in China...

Yessiree! :D

I expect I'll be required to buy from handmakers, as I have in the past.


Thomas Zinn
 
All Spyderco wanted to do is, give the American "john Doe" the opportunity to buy a AFFORDABLE well made knife, with good design and steel!

How could this be wrong.

Ferrari is owned by the FIAT-groep. Does this make Ferrari's look like a Fiat? Or does this make every Fiat a Ferrari?

No it doesn't. Sal does not wan't to make a quick buck by selling cheap chinese knives.

He want's you to be able to go to that truckstop and buy, for the same amount of money, instead of mass produced, "Stainless steel" junk , a decent knife with a good design, a good price, and good materials.

If you wan't a Spyderco made in the good ole USA, go get one, but they do cost 4 to 5 times more then the Byrd. I never had a second thought about the Japanese SEKI Spyderco's, should i ditch them just because they were made by Japanese people?

Not everyone is capable of purchasing a USA handmade knife with US steel , pounded with an American made hammer with US Hickory handle by a US citizen on an American made anvil, heated with american coal or gas, and finished with American made silver bolsters and a handle made out of an in the US found fossilised mammoth ivory from an American Mammoth!

Where are you going to draw the line? The man that wraps the knife should he be a US citizen also? And the parcel should be flown by an American airline with US pilots aboard?

I don't mind that you try to keep our wages up, and buying from Spyderco means sometimes buying US made knives , made by "Americans" in Colorado, USA.

But there might be out there US citizens that can't afford a "homegrown" knife and now they at least have the opportunity to buy a decent knife for a decent price.
 
But there might be out there US citizens that can't afford a "homegrown" knife and now they at least have the opportunity to buy a decent knife for a decent price.

Well put ! Not all of us can or even want to drop over $100 on a knife , it pains me to do so unless I really want it bad.
Snobbery is part of the knife world just like any other collector world out there , I can live with it. I go by sort of a reverse snobbery though lol , I wont mention brands but some of the folders I have seen in the 500$$ range is insane IMO but thats me.. I doubt many folks who pay that much for a knife actually use it as an EDC, maybe im wrong.
oh and 440C junk steel ? That is the epitome of knife snobbery :D :cool: :D
 
I work in the QC department of a major manufacturer. Made in America is a myth. Every part in the appliance is from either Mexico, China or Taiwan. I prefer American products but I will suffer no pangs of conscience using my Byrd.
 
redhawk44p said:
I work in the QC department of a major manufacturer. Made in America is a myth. Every part in the appliance is from either Mexico, China or Taiwan. I prefer American products but I will suffer no pangs of conscience using my Byrd.

Right.

It really doesn't matter to me where a knife is made as long as it's top quality. If there's a Chinese knife that's as well made as an American knife (quality steel, good lock up on a folder, good fit and finish) then why not?

The stigma around Chinese-made knives is that they've traditionally been of low quality. But that's just the stereotype. Look at Kershaw's Chinese blades, they're very high quality.

I won't be buying any of the Byrd knives, because I just don't like Spyderco to begin with. But I don't doubt the high quality of Spyderco knives, and if the Byrd knives are close in quality AND affordable for the average, non-knife person, then great.
 
zinn1348 said:
I've purchased my last Spyderco.

I will not support an American Company that does the Chinese business thing.

It is about American businesses that betray the American consumer and workers.

You surely realise that itis consumers (who constantly expect and demand lower prices for same quality of hardware) and workers (who refuse to work for meager wages that looklike a lottery jackpot to the chinese workers) who's driving companies such as Spyderco to outsource [part opf]their business ? If every cnsumer purchased more expensive domestic goods and if every unemployed person was willing to work for considerably less money there'd be absolutely no need for companies to outsource their business while trying to make profit.

Alas you can't have both - low prices and high wages - in same country, be it US or anywhere else (same problem across the big pond).
 
glockman99 said:
440C is pretty close to "junk steel"???...Are you CRAZY???.:eek:.:eek:.

Well the 440C in the Benchmade Mini-Pika and a Kershaw I have is junk. I don't know if I got duds (don't think that's all that possible) or what. So yes, IMHO the 440C that I myself have is junk, or close to it. The VG-10, AUS-6, ATS-55, and even CV blades I have are a lot better, very noticable difference. I mean is it possible I just got duds or whats up?

P.S. Thanks for the red chicklets whoever may have given them to me lol :rolleyes:
 
custom knife makers use it because its a easy steel to work with.

personally i wont buy or use any thing in 440.
 
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