Buying a custom Grinder, anything I should add ?Visited a true Bladesmith (pics)

This might be a stupid question but when I'm shopping locally for a 2 or 3 hp motor what kind of motor is it exactly? I know I could UTFSE but if you threw out a few brand names my hunt can begin since 56C Face doesn't mean much to me , what am I looking for , 2 or 3 hp 3 phase motor right does the motor have a specific TYPE of NAME or is it 2 hp 3 phase motor as an example? Don't they need a different power supply then household current? So I would need a inverter/ converter too correct? As I said earlier I'm going to visit the builder tomorrow so I have to have my ducks in a row of what I want before he starts cutting metal and sourcing parts. There is a Baldor Motor's in Edmonton that is a good motor brand , is there something less expensive and same quality?
 
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If you talk to Wayne Coe, he will sell you a set that works together.

Yes he is US, but I' haven't found any better rates here anyway


If you want to plug it into a 110v 15 amp plug, then KBAC-27D
& 1.5 hp 208-220vac 3 phase TEFC motor duty , continuous -cont
They are now using 1700 rpm motors and over driving them with the VFD
I don't know if it's better or not...

Frame 56 will maybe give you base mount and 5/8" shaft make sure you get a baseplate for the grinder you have shown.

56C is facemount you probably don't want that with the grinder in the pics


plugging into 220vac single phase with the kbac-27D
then go with a 2 hp motor.


going to a 3 hp motor is a different controller & probably a big $$ jump.
 
A 10" wheel is far more versatile than an 8". As well a true variable speed drive may be better than the pulley system but the price is a huge difference. He uses the pulleys, doesn't he? Frank
 
Frank Niro said:
A 10" wheel is far more versatile than an 8". As well a true variable speed drive may be better than the pulley system but the price is a huge difference. He uses the pulleys, doesn't he? Frank
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Yes he uses pulleys and has 4 speeds, he has built them with VFD and all that , I'm pretty sure $1400 is for the pulley one but I can always ask . That's the thing some are saying that having the variable speed box is way better and worth it . I have to take others opinions to try to make my own , is it worth $400 + more ? His has a Baldor 1 1/2 hp , I could get 2 or 3 but again this will drive up the price . I guess it's worth asking about variable speed drive , but I really don't know if I can justify the price getting way higher for it . I'm going to go with the 10" wheel I figure. I could buy the stuff from wayne coe and have it built in or I could just go with what he makes and be happy with a 10" contact wheel that can go 90 degree's with a small wheel on top along with the square wheel and other attachments. I plan on progressing to the point where I'm selling as a side business and since I'm not in trade school yet it would be full time right now. If I hadn't just went to Vegas and G3 on a whim and had that $$ still maybe spending closer to $2000-2200 would be doable . I still have to think of the $300-$400 for belts for the next few months too. I don't know what to do now to be honest , going with what he makes seems like the logical decision but if your spending $1700 what's $500 more in the long run?
 
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Wayne's 1.5 Hp 56C motor has both the facemount and baseplate mount bracket.
If you get the VFD then you could operate a disc grinder off the same VFD and have a variable speed reversing disc for a small increase in cost.
 
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fluidsteel said:
Wayne's 1.5 Hp 56C motor has both the facemount and baseplate mount bracket.
If you get the VFD then you could operate a disc grinder off the same VFD and have a variable speed reversing disc for a small increase in cost.
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Any Canadians here that have ordered this and know the shipping + duty costs ? It would be easy enough to buy it and have him install it I can't see that being a problem .It;s possible he has a VFD already since he showed me a grinder he made with it , but it wasn't as nice as what he makes now. It's not like the thing will be made in a week , I'm way behind on a lot of projects and a batch of 4 knives which are already bought ( at material cost to friends) and assembling the dust collector which I have all the parts and building a new forge. Having a 9" disc sander would be really nice too though, more decisions.
 
I bought my VFD through Wayne, but I cheated the system:o I had it shipped to a friend/bike shop customer from the states that came to the store at least once a week, so I got the free shipping and no duties. Even if I had to pay for the shipping and duties it would have been worth it to just reach over and turn a dial to change your speed instead of stopping everything and moving a drive belt. Now if they could just figure out how to do the same thing with the grit size:D
 
unky_gumbi said:
I bought my VFD through Wayne, but I cheated the system:o I had it shipped to a friend/bike shop customer from the states that came to the store at least once a week, so I got the free shipping and no duties. Even if I had to pay for the shipping and duties it would have been worth it to just reach over and turn a dial to change your speed instead of stopping everything and moving a drive belt. Now if they could just figure out how to do the same thing with the grit size:D
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I've seen how his pulley system works , it takes less then 10 seconds to do with his design.
 
And it takes me all of 2 seconds and that includes the time it takes me to decide to speed up or speed down:p, but that is neither here nor there, if you would be happy with the pulley drive then that is the way you should go. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages. The VFD is infinitely adjustable from zero to max RPM and convenient, the pulley set up is considerably cheaper and has no worry of shorting out and its easy to get a replacement drive belt, just to name a few.
 
I just found out that he has a 2x72 with variable speed drive box / 3 phase that he built for someone else that's now trying to sell it . It's similar to the one he makes now and it's $1000 , I'm going to check it out on Friday. I'd still have to get a inverter and buy a contact wheel and possibly some attachments and mod's . It's either a 1 1/2 or 2 hp Baldor motor. I'm thinking this is the way to go since I can have it Friday but back to getting 220v to 110v is this something I can do easily , how expensive are inverters ? My electrical panel is in my shop room but it's a rental so I'm not sure how much I can get away with. I still really want to have it to go 90 with a 10" wheel. But this sounds like a great deal and saves a lot of $$. He said it'd be around $800 to add the variable speed to a new build so is there any reason why I should not buy this and then order the contact wheel and inverter.
 
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I just found out that he has a 2x72 with variable speed drive box / 3 phase that he built for someone else that's now trying to sell it .
It's similar to the one he makes now and it's $1000 , I'm going to check it out on Friday.

I'd still have to get a inverter and buy a contact wheel and possibly some attachments and mod's .

It's either a 1 1/2 or 2 hp Baldor motor. I'm thinking this is the way to go since I can have it Friday but

220v to 110v is this something I can do easily , how expensive are inverters ?

My electrical panel is in my shop room but it's a rental so I'm not sure how much I can get away with. I still really want to have it to go 90 with a 10" wheel. But this sounds like a great deal and saves a lot of $$. He said it'd be around $800 to add the variable speed to a new build so is there any reason why I should not buy this and then order the contact wheel and inverter.
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I say buy the used one.


& you can check prices on Wayne Coe's page that was linked to in the last page.
http://www.waynecoeartistblacksmith.com/Motors___VFDs.html
 
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I just found out that he has a 2x72 with variable speed drive box / 3 phase that he built for someone else that's now trying to sell it . It's similar to the one he makes now and it's $1000 , I'm going to check it out on Friday. I'd still have to get a inverter and buy a contact wheel and possibly some attachments and mod's . It's either a 1 1/2 or 2 hp Baldor motor. I'm thinking this is the way to go since I can have it Friday but back to getting 220v to 110v is this something I can do easily , how expensive are inverters ? My electrical panel is in my shop room but it's a rental so I'm not sure how much I can get away with. I still really want to have it to go 90 with a 10" wheel. But this sounds like a great deal and saves a lot of $$. He said it'd be around $800 to add the variable speed to a new build so is there any reason why I should not buy this and then order the contact wheel and inverter.
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Do you know someone with a US mailing address? If so you can not beat Wayne's price. Even if you don't know someone with a US mailing address, call him up and get a shipping quote, it may be cheaper than you think, and if you can get the grinder for $800 you would just be over your original price point.
 
unky_gumbi said:
Do you know someone with a US mailing address? If so you can not beat Wayne's price. Even if you don't know someone with a US mailing address, call him up and get a shipping quote, it may be cheaper than you think, and if you can get the grinder for $800 you would just be over your original price point.
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I'm totally new to hard wiring different voltages but wouldn't I be able to hard wire it into the breaker box? If it's already to go but runs on 220v can't I just wire it in or you can't because it's 110v house wiring , I just don't know what I'm missing here. I know that the seller is 100% firm on 1K for the grinder it might even have a 8" or 10 contact wheel already I haven't seen it yet but know it's similar to the one posted on page 1 with a 1 1/2 or 2 hp Baldor motor and has a VFD box to dial in 5 rpm to whatever. I would like to have it as a plug in machine though is that what I'd be buying ? the wiring kits from wayne coe? Sorry my electrical experience is limited to splicing to make male / females and hard wiring in sockets for light switches not changing voltages . I've used inverters when I was overseas but not ones that would take that level of juice. The Bladesmith does know about that kind of stuff and would probably come to my townhouse and wire it for me since it was implied when I talked to him today.
 
I have mine, a KBAC-27D wired up to a standard 3 prong 110V plug and I just plug that into the wall. Wiring the VFD to the motor is easy just follow the instructions from here. If you have a 220 outlet, drier/oven, handy you can just use a plug for that, so much more convenient if you ever have to move the grinder.

Just be sure to use the proper gauge wire that they specify in the owners manual. Now if the used grinder comes with a VFD then you are laughing and will only need to buy wire from your local building supplier. A VFD is a phase converter to the best of my knowledge so it takes you household single phase current, 110V or 220V for our use, and converts it to 220V 3 phase. Don't let it scare you they are actually quite simple to set up. I was nervous when I wired mine up and plugged it in after spending $500 on it, but it was nothing to worry about and ran like a charm and still is. Just look at the picture in the link it is only 7 wires going into the VFD, and 4 of those go to the motor.
 
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