Buying my 1st belt grinder question

mbkingshane

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Hey guys thinking if purchasing my 1st belt grinder. Thinking if the the new burr king x400. It has a 1hp motor and it's 2"x42" belts. I forge all my blades in an anvil but have been looking to make nice clean grind lines. Besides the fact I do most all my grinding with an air die grinder and files. So start to finish just getting a blade finished takes an extremely long time. Looking to speed up the process a bit with a little more precision. The x400 is the one I have my eye on and it's in the right price range. If anyone has any pros or cons of this machine I'd be interested to hear. Also is there sonething else in thus price i shiuld be looking at. I can buy this new fir $1,400.00 new free shipping. Thank you for your time in reading this.
 
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In that price range, I would be looking at 2x72 grinders. That's the standard so you will have a better time finding tooling and belts to fit your needs.
 
In that price range, I would be looking at 2x72 grinders. That's the standard so you will have a better time finding tooling and belts to fit your needs.
Okay thanks for the input. And I'm only asking because I don't know, what kind of tooling will I need?
 
A 2x72 that accepts tooling arms is the way to go. You can start with just a flat platen and when you are ready you can add contact wheels, small wheels, vfd for adjustable speed. Your grinder will grow with you.
Check out the options from Esteem, Pheer, Oregon blade maker.
 
Might I suggest The AMK-77 2 X 72 Belt Grinder? It comes with both a 12 or 10 inch wheel (your choice) and a flat platen. I got one a few months ago and love it.

I thought it might not be as sturdy as some of the other higher priced grinders, but I was wrong. This thing rocks. It's over 100 pounds and very solid. I would recommend this to a novice or a pro.
 
A 2x72 that accepts tooling arms is the way to go. You can start with just a flat platen and when you are ready you can add contact wheels, small wheels, vfd for adjustable speed. Your grinder will grow with you.
Check out the options from Esteem, Pheer, Oregon blade maker.
Awesome Thanks! I'll check them out
 
Might I suggest The AMK-77 2 X 72 Belt Grinder? It comes with both a 12 or 10 inch wheel (your choice) and a flat platen. I got one a few months ago and love it.

I thought it might not be as sturdy as some of the other higher priced grinders, but I was wrong. This thing rocks. It's over 100 pounds and very solid. I would recommend this to a novice or a pro.
Man that looks like a great machine!
 
A 2x72 that accepts tooling arms is the way to go. You can start with just a flat platen and when you are ready you can add contact wheels, small wheels, vfd for adjustable speed. Your grinder will grow with you.
Check out the options from Esteem, Pheer, Oregon blade maker.
So would you say pheer is a good product as far as being heavy duty and built to last with good customer service?
 
I like my North Ridge Tool grinder. Like said previously go with a 2x72. Standard length belts. I can buy parts to convert my grinder to horizontal, 2 tool arm slots, some epic adjustable rest options, and room to grow as funds allow. Variable speed is nice. If you can afford it, you can get going for about 2 grand with VFD and a flat platen.
 
I have both an AMK and a Northridge and like them both, the Northridge is more of a precision machine for sure, it is a bit higher in cost at the end of the day---over all I prefer it in the grand scheme but the AMK will do you well for the needs you described, and puts you where you want to be with 2x72 belts.
 
So would you say pheer is a good product as far as being heavy duty and built to last with good customer service?
From what I hear, yes. It was one of my top contenders. I ended up going with an esteem and love it. The only thing I would change is adding a second tool arm slot because I'm not a fan of the work rest.
What put it over the top for me was the bader style small wheel attachment which allows you to use the whole wheel.
All the machines in that price range are great machines, but each has small give and takes. It just depends on what features are most important to you.
 
I have had a Pheer for many years. When I first got it the VFD went bad. Jose had me up and running in a couple of days. Overnighted a new VFD. Great customer service as far as I'm concerned. I have made thousands of knives on mine and it keeps going.
 
I'd recommend taking a look at AmeriBrade. Mine has been a rock-solid work horse and the customer service has been great. With a VFD, 2 hp motor, and flat platen, it runs under $1500. Contact wheels and accessories are very reasonably priced. I'd recommend getting it wired for 220 if you can, otherwise there is some power loss (just like any VFD controller).
 
So would you say pheer is a good product as far as being heavy duty and built to last with good customer service?
I have been researching 2x72's for a while as I've been living out of the country and couldn't use anything I ordered until I got back (got back 3 days ago), so I've done a bunch of research. I ended up ordering a Pheer. It was pretty much between Pheer and Northridge and the customer service was much better from Jose at Pheer than Northridge. I opened it yesterday and it is very solid. Still have to run the 220 from the back building so I can use it (plan on doing that tomorrow), but I have no complaints so far. I'm very happy with my purchase. I think you'll enjoy the Pheer if that's what you decide. It's also a good bit cheaper than the Northridge. I should also say, I just ordered the chassis and drive wheel from Pheer, the motor and VFD I got from other places, but I got the KBAC 27 and a 2 hp motor.
 
Thats awesome, i looked at Pheer a bunch and it looked like a great machine. Im sure you will make many a great knives on yours. Also a 2 hp wow that is going to be a real beast.
 
you could also build one. It's not really that hard. I have water jet ready plans for the grinder I just built on my FB page. Their is a pinned post near the top that has the links. Also, I did a lot of brain storming with Dan Comeau and he published his OSG (Open Source Grinder) plans. This has built in tilt, which i wish i had included in my build. I have since converted mine to tilt. All you need is 1/2" plate, the plans and a local water jet outfit to cut it for you. Then it's the usual stuff- tooling arms, wheels, motor, VFD. plus some nuts and bolts. I highly recommend at least considering it. I get great satisfaction that I was able to build a rock solid machine, that I use almost daily. Here's the link to my page: facebook.com/faithforgeknives and here is the link to Dan's project: http://sayberosg.com/forum/
 
LOL I love how everyone just recommends whatever they've got. If I were in the market, I'd much prefer to hear from people that have owned, or spent significant time on multiple machines and could give an example in the OPs price range of what they though was the best option.


I've used every major 2x72 on the market, with the exception of a couple newest ones, and in the OPs price range, I'd recommend the Wilmont LB1000 as the best built, best bang for buck. You can get it with a 3ph motor and KBAC 27D VFD for full variable speed at that price or very close to it.

You would want to buy a larger contact wheel later perhaps, and eventually get the compound tool rest, but the great thing is it's built from steel plate, is very rigid (all the Wilmont stuff is overbuilt), has two inline 1.5" tooling arm slots, so you can add or remove tooling one piece at a time instead of having to bolt a tool rest or etc to the side of a flat platen assembly or tooling arm from tool rest to contact wheel, or etc.

I personally wouldn't buy any grinder that doesn't use either 1.5" or 1.25" tooling arms, as there are a handful of grinders that use these two tooling setups. You can mix and match those grinders easily, and their tooling, if you find a good deal on one, which compatibility issues, or being stuck using this contact wheel on this grinder, and not the other, etc.

I personally don't like the tooling style or the aluminum body of that AMK grinder, although I admit I've never used it. The rotating platen/contact wheel assembly is clever however. Although personally I run 4 grinders in my shop, and I wouldn't want any primary tooling stuck on the back side of something I'm using on one grinder already.


So yeah, you'd get an extra contact wheel ($200) with that grinder, but you'd have full variable speed with a top end VFD on a Wilmont LB for the same or very close to that price, which would cost you $600 or so to upgrade the AMK.


Although I've got 2 TAG-101's and two LB's in my shop at the moment, these days I'm hard pressed to recommend any grinder over a variable speed LB-1000, unless you have limited space or know you need the 3rd tooling slot, when you can get two LB-1000's for the price of one of any of the flagship grinders out there. Two pretty much always trumps 1, when you're not really sacrificing anything, except horizontal mode in most cases. Although, it's easy to mount one sideways, and IMO, if you need horizontal with any frequency, you need a dedicated horizontal. Of which, I simply made a "mounting bracket" out of piece of 3" angle for one of my LB1000's, and mounted it to a cast iron machine stand I had floating around.
 
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