Byrd Cara Cara

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Hi,


This morning while wandering in the city of Soissons at 120 km north east of Paris, France, I have found in the middle of Laguiole knives at 60 euros a stranger with a Comet carved in his blade.
-Oh! A Byrd !
It was in fact a Cara Cara plain edge with the g-10 handle at half the price of the laguiole. The place named "La Civette" is not a gun shop or even a knifeshop, it's just a place to buy cigarettes and lighter and pocket knives and to play the Loto.
I drop my baskets full of vegetable to my car and came back to see that Byrd knife (the only one lost in the middle of all the other knives).
I asked to the nice lady if I could have a look to than knife with the black handle and the hole in the blade. (it was the only one. She was even sailing some Delica Knockoff at the same price as the Byrd !!!)
She gave it to me so I was able to check the lock (no play in any direction), the feel (heavy and nice). And it was a deal.

So far I have not test the knife in the wood but what I can say about it is how outstanding are the evidences of its quality. All screw construction. Nice finish. Symetric grind. Nice geometry. Very nice G-10 handle (not to abbrasive). I also love the heavy handle feel toward the pommel (à la Wegner) and the balance toward the handle.
The blade is beautiful and the Comet Hole a pleasure to use (it's my first Byrd so I'm discovering this new opening system. I really appreciate it.)
The opening and the closing is so smooth. The blade is closing only with the gravity.
Like I said there is no vertical play with the lock. The Cara Cara feels even more solid than my Ocelot (who got some vertical play like my Delica and my Chinooks...)
Very solid feel !
The blade after being stroke on the triangle white rods, is hair popping sharp.
The "jimping" is really welcome and give a lot of control and a feel of security when you choke up the blade.
Overall the Cara Cara is a beauty and an incredible bargain.
What a knife !
I'm going to use it a lot as it will be first folding beater !

And like said a friend of mine holding my Cara Cara, feeling its weight in the palm of his hand.
"and it's bloody gorgeous !"

Really the spydermen has made their homework, concentrating a bunch of excellent design improvement in a affordable folder.
So far so good and I'm very impressed !
Ten years ago to own a tactical folder with all these bells and whistles was pricey. To be able to find "that" kind of knife in a little town like Soissons at "that" price is putting the light on how the cutlery has changed in 15 years !

Who else is VERY" happy with his Cara Cara ?

Cheers
Nemo

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I handled a Cara Cara on a pass-around last year. I was very impressed with this "cheap" knife, and it is definately on the top of my list for inexpensive knives. This is also the knife I am most likely to gift to non-knifeknuts.
Well built and strong, it came through the pass-around with no issues.....and it won't break your heart if you abuse or lose it. (Like some 630 Benchmades I could mention.):(
 
I have the exact same model, PE with G10. I love this knife, it probably gets used more than any of my other knives because it's cheap and durable so I'm not afraid to use it!
 
I'll copy my post from the Spyderco forum.

The Cara Cara remains a favorite of mine. I would gladly pay for a version from Golden with a compression lock, FG G10 and S90V blade steel. I find the ergonomics superior to all versions of the Endura, and the inclusion of the choil makes it much more adaptable to a variety of cutting tasks IMO. I re-ground mine flat to the stone and it cuts very well now.




I EDC'd one for the better part of a year before I found a US made Spyderco that I liked (UKPK). Still goes into my pocket from time to time. My only complaint is it's kind of heavy, lacks the round hole and I have other steels I'd take over 8Cr13MoV, but it's still an exceptional value regardless of my nitpicking.
 
At 60 Euros, I think you got a great knife. It's a shame that Europe is cracking down on knives in general and that all knives tend to be expensive. I've long contended that those of us in the U.S. are spoiled rotten because, for the moment, our government graciously permits us to have these knives. Will it be so in twenty years? Who knows?

When I got my first Cara Cara, I was rather unimpressed by it. It had a stainless handle and was slippery in the hand. But since then I've bought a G10 model and an FRN model, both of which are wonderful knives and much better suited for my hand. The workmanship is very nice and I think you've got a winner.

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The Cara Cara has a 1-inch "reach" over a Spyderco Native,
another good knife.
 
At 60 Euros, I think you got a great knife.

It was half the price of the Laguiole... The NIB Cara cara cost me 30 euros.
:)

Isn't it great to find a reliable tool built like a tank at such an entry price.
And I swear I did not wanted to give a chance to the Byrd line before last week end. (Stupid me!)
This summer I even handle a Tenacious and found myself not especially fan of a design without the choil.
(I felt like I could cut my finger closing the knife with such a big bad blade)
The Cara Cara can be held like the Military, Police III, Ocelot, Chinook only by the "quillons" of the blade.
Like a boot knife !

cheers
Nemo
 
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Mine is the FRN Cara Cara, and they are an amazing value.

I joking call them the "PO' Boy's Endura".
 
It was half the price of the Laguiole... The NIB Cara cara cost me 30 euros.
:)...

For that little money I would even buy it locally. Right now the only knives I buy locally are SAK's. And the farmer I want to get I will get it from USA anyway.

Sucks to be in Europe, doesn't it Nemo? Last week I went to a cutlery store and they were asking for 57€ for a Tenacious. And the seller kept trying to convince me of it being a great price. I call BS. I can get it for half the price on the net from USA (shipping included). And Same goes for any other knife from Spyderco. Hell... even Fallkniven are cheaper if you get them in USA!

And sadly in Spain there isn't any brand making decent utility folders ala Spyderco, Benchmade, etc. All you can get is classic looking blades with 440 blades (no, they don't tell you what kind of 440 steel they are using... so I presume 440A). And yes, I am talking about Muela brand here.

Mikel
 
For that little money I would even buy it locally. Right now the only knives I buy locally are SAK's. And the farmer I want to get I will get it from USA anyway.

Sucks to be in Europe, doesn't it Nemo? Last week I went to a cutlery store and they were asking for 57€ for a Tenacious. And the seller kept trying to convince me of it being a great price. I call BS. I can get it for half the price on the net from USA (shipping included). And Same goes for any other knife from Spyderco. Hell... even Fallkniven are cheaper if you get them in USA!

And sadly in Spain there isn't any brand making decent utility folders ala Spyderco, Benchmade, etc. All you can get is classic looking blades with 440 blades (no, they don't tell you what kind of 440 steel they are using... so I presume 440A). And yes, I am talking about Muela brand here.

Mikel

Hola Mikel ! Yes, it's the problem to have a strong Euro these days.
Even a little fixed blade made locally can easily reach 200 euros !!!
I have found the Tenacious at 60€ (and did not bought it)
The Cara Cara can be found at 25 dollars in the US... 18 euros !!!
I 've paid double price... so it was not a good bargain after all :rolleyes:

About 440A do not forget the grind and the heat treatment.
I've been very surprised by very good result with 440A !
And even from some crappy Laguiole copy made in Pakistan !!!
Really, as a steel snob myself, there is a lot surprises which can come from
steels we would not buy at first glance.

And the best place to live for a knifenut can be anywhere in the world
IF you married the daughter of a knife store owner !!!:D
(my wife was not... and she's working for an North American Company... not far from Golden :rolleyes: )

Buenas tardes
Nemo
 
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Hola Mikel ! Yes, it's the problem to have a strong Euro these days....

Good news is that yesterday I ordered a Leatherman Charge TTi with leather sheath for 75€ shipping included :D. Try to buy one locally and you will easily be asked twice that much if not more. And I know guys who have ordered theirs for 70€... even cheaper than me.

This summer I went climbing to the Alps and I checked a few cutlery store in Chamonix. A seller there was trying to convince me that 250€ was a good price for a ZT 301... hell... I can get it for half of that on the net! And if I look hard enough... I can get it way cheaper.

I usually ask my pals if they want something so we can split shipping charges (combined shiping and such things, you know). We get even better deals that way.

When I mentioned 440A I was talking about Muela and his "traditional" models. They don't seem to be improving their designs or at least their steels. Muela folders are mostly crap. I wish they did something about that but I guess is not going to happen any time soon.

BTW, congrats for being married to a cutlery owners daugther!!

Mikel
 
BTW, congrats for being married to a cutlery owners daugther!!

Mikel

LOL. No it was just a joke. Or some kind of knifenut wish !:p
I have edited my previous post since.

BTW I have bought also a Leatherman CHarge TTi from a guy who works in the factory and sale cheaper the "not perfect" but okay multitools.
Mine got no 154cm marked on the main blade for example and some kind of cosmetic problem in the Titanium handle. But it's fine.:)

Cheers
Nemo
 
It was half the price of the Laguiole... The NIB Cara cara cost me 30 euros. :)
That's far more reasonable. Wonder where that lone Byrd Cara Cara came from? I mean, it was just sitting there with the rest.

Your post caused me to go get mine and carry it today and I've got to say it really is a nice knife.

Why are knives so much more expensive over there? Is it taxes or a punitive fee they tag on? What are the laws like there? Can you carry it without a problem?

Oh, BTW, I love telling people those holes on the back are "air vents" designed to keep a user's hand cool while a person is cutting. Next week I think I'll start telling them the vents are to collect blood in the event one has to use it for self defense. The bad guy's blood is collected in the vents so DNA testing can later convict him. Yeah...that's the ticket!
 
...Why are knives so much more expensive over there? Is it taxes or a punitive fee they tag on? What are the laws like there? Can you carry it without a problem? ...

I guess knives are so expensive here because they need to be imported from USA (I am talking about Spyderco here) and also due to some kind of taxes I don't quite understand (Falkniven is made in Japan... why is it more expensive to bring them here than to the US? I don't get it). The sad truth is that it is way cheaper to buy in US.

Regarding carry laws... well, have a look at THIS. I never had a problem for carrying but again, I never got searched or anything. The law doesn't allow you to carry unless you are actually doing something and a knife is needed, like hiking, camping, hunting, etc. Carrying in the city is a no no. You will usually get by if you are carring a small SAK, a multitool and maybe one of those classy looking bone handled slipjoints or something like that. Anything with a tactical smell is prosecuted.

Mikel
 
I have one & couldn't love it more:thumbup:

One of the best bangs for the buck!:D:thumbup:
 
I believe there is no better value under $30 than the CaraCara it might be a little on the heavy side, but one could argue that just makes it feel "bank vault solid". At least that's the way I look at it. The edge holding capability might not be the same as my knives in SG2, S30V, BG-42, ZDP-189 etc., but the side benefit is that it is ridiculously easy and quick to get a scary sharp edge on it.
I also stropped it (w/ green compound) for the first time a few days ago, always had stopped with the ultra fine rods before. It is one of 4 knives I own now that can whittle hair (yes I fail at sharpening, I know).
I have no safe queens among the 40 or so knives I currently have, but if I know I am going to be in a situation where the knife may be abused or in someone else's hand, the CaraCara is the one that goes into my pocket, if it happens to get destroyed, cheap to replace by me or by whoever broke it. I think most of the people I know would freak out if they had to replace something like my BG-42 Mille or JYD Ti SG2.
So yes, I love my Byrd CaraCara.
 
That's far more reasonable. Wonder where that lone Byrd Cara Cara came from? I mean, it was just sitting there with the rest.

Your post caused me to go get mine and carry it today and I've got to say it really is a nice knife.

Why are knives so much more expensive over there? Is it taxes or a punitive fee they tag on? What are the laws like there? Can you carry it without a problem?

Oh, BTW, I love telling people those holes on the back are "air vents" designed to keep a user's hand cool while a person is cutting. Next week I think I'll start telling them the vents are to collect blood in the event one has to use it for self defense. The bad guy's blood is collected in the vents so DNA testing can later convict him. Yeah...that's the ticket!

LOL! the air vents are very sexy indeed giving a retro look à la Buck Rogers :D

The french law is even against SAK so go figure...:(
So I fly underneath the radar...

cheers
Nemo
 
Mikel: Where was this? Where were you stopped and what was the immediate reaction to their finding the knife? Did you spend time in a detention facility, or did they write you the infraction and let you go?

One of the reasons we have the Second Amendment is to protect us from government excesses; however, I fear Mr. Obama will find time to sink it. His strategy is not to eradicate the Second Amendment outrightly, but to use policy to undercut it—going after gun dealers, taxing ammunition, outlawing one piece at a time until no one wants to bother.

Don't think I could live where you do. Trouble is, if this country ever goes that direction, where can we move to from here?
 
My G-10 cara cara stays in my tool box , i have modded mine at work when i was bored,surface ground the blade .030 thinner, liners too, convex edge, hand sanded the g-10, probably the most heavily modded 20 dollar knife on the planet.... i have threw it, beat it, the best bang for the buck period..............
 
I have no safe queens among the 40 or so knives I currently have, but if I know I am going to be in a situation where the knife may be abused or in someone else's hand, the CaraCara is the one that goes into my pocket
So yes, I love my Byrd CaraCara.[/QUOTE]

Interesting comment. I'm in the habit, and enjoy, bringing knives as gifts when visiting family in central Maine. My last trip, a few weeks ago, I brought two Cara Caras, one PE, and one PS, as well as a Meadow Lark. As always, the recipients were thrilled with their new knives. But, as much as I would like to "treat them" to something better on ocassion, they aren't "knife nuts" and would fail to realize, and appreciate, a really good knife and the care and feeding it deserves.
 
Mikel: Where was this? Where were you stopped and what was the immediate reaction to their finding the knife? Did you spend time in a detention facility, or did they write you the infraction and let you go?...

They just stopped our car (among others) in a road check point. We were asked to leave the car and I got to empty my pockets on the hood. Then I was asked to lean on the hood and I was searched. Same went with my gf but she didn't got searched because there wasn't any police woman there. After that we stand by the car (at a safe distance) and they searched. Upon finding our purses we were asked to empty them as well on the hood. I was carrying the usual stuff: small flashlight, packet of cleenex, leatherman with firesteel attached with ranger bands, wallet and miscelaneous stuff. They didn't say a word about the Leatherman. After that we picked all our stuff and handed the car documentation as well as our ID's. They confiscated the knife and let me go. They didn't give me any recip (and I asked for it) so somehow I thought they were going to just pocket the knife and forget about it. They didn't. I got the fine 5 months after that but I am working to get rid of it.

Mikel
 
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