byrd para 2?

gomipile said:
I'd pay $100 for a slicing knife, but not for one which would be used for, say, EDC while building a home. I see no reason that snobbery should keep a lock design out of a particular price bracket.

The compression lock is proven to be able to be made at Byrd/Tenacious-like quality levels for a similar price by the Navy K607.

Your snobbery is only that, and has no basis in the reality of what can be manufactured inexpensively and at sufficient quality.
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It has been proven that the patented compression lock can be illegally counterfitted at a low price. It has not been proven that such a lock can be manufactured to Spyderco specifications for that price. The Compression lock is far more complex than it looks, and requires very precise machining to work correctly and last for any length of time.
 
I don't see why it couldn't be done for the price. Labor is much cheaper in China, and this is something like a $50 MSRP we're talking about for cheaper and easier to machine steel for the blade. The same company that makes the Tenacious line makes $7 frame locks. It should generally be kept in mind that a large part of the price on the branded knives is the additional mark up just so the brand owner also makes a profit for bringing the design to market. It isn't about variance in quality when it comes from the same manufacturer.
 
yablanowitz said:
It has been proven that the patented compression lock can be illegally counterfitted at a low price. It has not been proven that such a lock can be manufactured to Spyderco specifications for that price. The Compression lock is far more complex than it looks, and requires very precise machining to work correctly and last for any length of time.
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Well, every example of the Navy K607 I've seen has had fit and finish equal or better to the Byrd knives I've used, with the exception of the Raven, which the K607 is much better than. If Spyderco is satisfied with Byrd Ravens whose pocket clip screws don't engage the liners, then they should jump with joy at a compression lock equal to the Navy K607's on a Byrd line knife. Given, of course, my small data set, which cannot possibly be complete, but which may be representative.
 
They could probably do it and it would probably be popular.

I don't see why they would, though - demand for the PM2 is already outstripping production, and why would they introduce something which would directly compete with one of their most successful products?
 
The PM2 is sort of a Spyderco flagship, and I think that a less expensive "knockoff" for lack of a better word would cheapen what the knife represents to a degree.
 
I am not sure about everyone... I try not to buy the China knives because I am an American and I want to support America and the jobs of other Americans...

Even if there were two PM2s, exactly the same with one made in China and one made in the US... I would buy the US made at double the price...

I am a fan of the Tenacious and have a bunch of them, it's silly to compare it to a PM2. It's also silly to compare the Cara Cara to the Endura the materials and craftman's ship are on different levels, they have a similar shape and that is it...
 
knife2Agunfight said:
The Paramilitary 2 is just overpriced for the materials used. If you add up the price of materials it's under $30 or so, but they like to charge $100+ for it. I think the possibility of a cheap PM2 being produced is slim to none, I just cannot see it happening.
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Buy the materials for $30. Pay someone to draw and dimension the pm2. Pay someone to program the design into solidworks. Pay a machinist to make every one of the parts. Pay the machinist to check tolerances on all the parts, and remake any that are out of spec. Pay for waste disposal of excess material. Pay for energy cost of the machine shop. Pay for someone to assemble the knife. Pay for someone to sharpen the knife. Pay for someone to package the knife and ship it to you.

If you can do that for under $100, I'll eat my hat.
 
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