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True. the Endura and Delica has been around for a long time, but it has gone through refinements as the police. you would not find the first Endura or Delica as a constant offering from Spyderco anymore.
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True. the Endura and Delica has been around for a long time, but it has gone through refinements as the police. you would not find the first Endura or Delica as a constant offering from Spyderco anymore.
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The best thing about it is you don't have to buy a Lava. If you think they are too high in comparison to a SS Endura or a SS Police, just pass on it and you will get by fine without it!
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Both the Endura and the Police have been produced in much greater numbers then the Lava, it would be reasonable to assume that this would cause the per unit tooling costs to be higher on the Lava then on the Police. In addition to that the Lava was a collaboration, I imagine a portion of the sales went to the knifes designer naturally this would lead to some sort of increase in price when compared to Spyderco’s in house designs like the Endura and the Police.
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Plus it's pretty elaborate with all the angles, so it may be a bit more complicated to produce compared to the straighter handles of the SS Police and Endura.
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The Lava was not designed to sell by the rail car in box stores. It was and always has been a speciality, niche design for enthusiasts. Not everybody "gets it", nor was expected to.
On a fixed margin the cost of it is based on production costs and a fixed percentage profit.
The Lava was very well recieved and in fact launched the career of it's designer who signed with another company and has many different designs on the market. He's well respected and popular, as are Spyderco Knives.I'd guess that had something to do with the desision to drop the knife. Why promote a designer who works for a competitor.
It's an amazing knife ergonomicly. It's A wonder of a design for small knives. Have you held one, and more importantly used it for cutting for extended times, or for large jobs? Lots of folks are very surprised when they do.
Sal himself has stated that not everybody gets Spyderco, and their market is mostly enthusiasts.
By the time Spyderco appeared in Wal mart, they had over 20 years of business behind them. Joe
On a fixed margin the cost of it is based on production costs and a fixed percentage profit.
The Lava was very well recieved and in fact launched the career of it's designer who signed with another company and has many different designs on the market. He's well respected and popular, as are Spyderco Knives.I'd guess that had something to do with the desision to drop the knife. Why promote a designer who works for a competitor.
It's an amazing knife ergonomicly. It's A wonder of a design for small knives. Have you held one, and more importantly used it for cutting for extended times, or for large jobs? Lots of folks are very surprised when they do.
Sal himself has stated that not everybody gets Spyderco, and their market is mostly enthusiasts.
By the time Spyderco appeared in Wal mart, they had over 20 years of business behind them. Joe
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That's not entirely fair. I can see paying more money for greater blade length, and I also can't understand why a blade size of 2 inches would cost so much with the materials it's made with. Not so long ago, one could buy a 3-inch Native for $40, and that with an S30V blade! If it had a beautiful stag or pearl handle, I can see paying $200, or even more....if you're buying knives based on a blade lengthrice ratio, you might as well buy some cheap machetes.
There are too many other very good knives on the market, for far less, IMO.
That basically sums up my thoughts. There are a lot of Spyderco knives that I like a lot and would love to own. But any time I get enough money saved up, I buy 2 Kershaws instead
I am salivating over a Endura 4 ZDP-189 that I found for $78. Only thing that I don't like is the grind (would rather have full-flat, rather than sabre grind) but it's probably one of the least expensive knives with this premium steel.
Anyone know if there's a cheaper way to own a ZDP-189 blade? Or at least under $100 bucks?
Spyderco makes some of most functional production knives out there with generally good F&F, even in their Chinese line of knives.
They have a unique look and feel, and the looks are a result of designing the knives with ergonomics first. Some people don't like them for this, but once you get your first, you're hooked.
Anyone know if there's a cheaper way to own a ZDP-189 blade? Or at least under $100 bucks?
Spyderco makes some of most functional production knives out there with generally good F&F, even in their Chinese line of knives.
They have a unique look and feel, and the looks are a result of designing the knives with ergonomics first. Some people don't like them for this, but once you get your first, you're hooked.
My wife got me a Spyderco Bryd off ebay for a very good price. Man, that knife is solid. A bit new to knives, but looks great to me. Absolutely no blade play upon opening and the lock up feels solid. I stabbed one dying trees in my yard with it just to test it out. Solid and strong are the words that came to mind. This has made me rethink Spyderco. I didn't like their designs much, but after seeing how well built the Byrd is, I will look to add some others.
While I have a lot of fairly high end knives I am currently carrying a Byrd Meadowlark that I just bought to see what they were like. One day, as I was going out to work in the yard I picked it up , ended up using it quite a bit and so, still carrying it. Good as an Endura, Dejavoo, etc.? No, but does the job, has aneasy to maintain edge and even the serrations come in handy once in a while.