BYRD ,why?

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epoluo

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i have saw two byrd knives ----crossbill.
one crossbill have the "TM" on the blade,but the other have not. WHY?
what is the difference?
thank you for your any opinion.
 
Hmm, funny, i was just out looking at these.

I bought my son a Byrd "Flight".

His is stamped with the TM aswell as the Meadowlark that had at my local B&M store.

Nice little knife for the price paid, sturdy feeling, slim with enough weight to know its there, pretty good edge NIB.

Its marked with 8Cr13MoV blade steel, this one i do not know, but i'd rate it roughly Aus-8A'ish in feel and look.

WR
 
The Byrd's have surprised me with their low price and very good quality. Very good bang for the buck, IMHO. :cool:
I gave my brothers a Caracara each for x-mas. They are both pretty hard on knives so I'll be seeking some feedback in another week or so. For example, I gave Ron a CRKT Ryan model Seven which he said blew apart as he was cutting/prying with it.:eek: He said one minute he had a folding knife and the next a pile of knife parts and a broken blade.:eek: :rolleyes: This was one stout folder too. If you ever handle a model Seven you'll see what I mean. STOUT! jeez...
Also gave me Mum a Meadowlark which she liked a lot. Mom is a knife user so I'm sure I'll be hearing about how it works for her too.

My Caracara holds a pretty good edge, the lock is fairly strong and it is a really thin folder that fits my hand good. These make very good beaters and if they get lost or worn out, ya pay a pittance to get it replaced. Whatadeal!:thumbup:
 
unfortunately,my crossbill have some play.
BTW,nobody told me the difference the blade with TM and blade without TM
 
Well, it is probably a difference in manufacture lot.

"TM" stands for --- Trade Mark.

Maybe they were made for different markets, or possibly one is "real" and the other a blatant fake. Been known to happen.
 
Slightly OT question, what is the deal with the Spyderco Byrd knives with the handle scales? I saw them at a local shop (that didn't know production knives from soda cans) and they looked very nice. The price seemed reasonable, but I didn't know if it would be worth my time to pick them up. $40?
 
Hi Epoluo,

byrd brand is a division of Spyderco. It is Spyderco's low cost alternative to their generally more expensive line. In America, we have Lexus, Toyota and Scion. All made by Toyota for different price ranges. byrd brand is Spyderco's "Scion".

The shape of the byrd brand logo is the shape of the hole in the blade. Where ever you will see the byrd brand, the logo (shape of the hole) will have a TM indicating "Trademark".

The first few models didn't have the TM next to the hole in the blade because byrd brand was in the earlier stages of trademarking the logo.

Once the process had begun, the TM was added.

Sorry about the play. A small amount of vertical play is common in lock-backs, there shouldn't be any lateral or horizontal play. Spyderco's byrd brand is made in China. They are working with some excellent makers and the quality is becoming apparent.

8Cr13MoV was the best performing stainless steel Spyderco could find being made in China. It is being used in all of the byrd models. It will get quite hard and perform well.

Hope that helps.

sal
 
thank you all your ideas.
thank you sal.your opinion is very helpful to me
happy new year to my friends
 
anybody know a site where we can get more info on 440C/8Cr13MoV ?
i see the knife blade steel listed this way but don't know for sure if it is the same steel.
buzz
 
markv said:
anybody know a site where we can get more info on 440C/8Cr13MoV ?
i see the knife blade steel listed this way but don't know for sure if it is the same steel.
buzz
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It isn't actually "the same" steel. Here is a quote taken from Sal regarding the topic:

"The steel in the byrds is 8Cr13MoV.

When we first began designing the byrd line and working with the makers, we asked the makers what was the best steel available in China. They said 440C. We requested 440C.

As is my anal retentive, obsessive-compulsive nature, I'm always testing. On the first run, the edge retension was quite good, lock strength was heavy duty range, lock reliability was excellent. Then I analyzed the steel in the first run. Chemistry didn't match 440C. "Something about Chinese 440C".

We communicated with the foundry. Their analysis matched ours. I said we cannot call this 440C in the USA if it is not the same chemistry as 440C in the USA. The name of the steel in China is 8Cr13MoV. .8 Carbon, 13 Chrome, less than 1. moly with vanadium.

It is a good steel and tests in a range with Aichi's AUS-8.

byrd models are made from and will be marked 8Cr13MoV."
 
I have a caracara with a blade mark of 440C, so this is a earlier run?? A couple of my friends have caracaras and their knives are marked 8Cr13MoV. I have a Pelican and I believe it is 8Cr13MoV also...just wondering.
WOOK
 
Yes, the knives marked 440C were the earliest runs. However, all of the knives are in fact 8Cr13MoV. :thumbup:
 
Yes, I believe only the first run were etched 440C till the confusion became clear.
 
Sal Glesser said:
....byrd brand is a division of Spyderco. It is Spyderco's low cost alternative to their generally more expensive line....
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Mr. Glesser, I purchased half a dozen Byrds last month - just to try them out. I can honestly say, this must be one of, if not THE, best value for the money in production knives. I have spent over 30 years in marketing and I'm willing to bet that a HUGE amount of thought, time, effort, and research was invested before these knives were deemed "ready for the market". Congratulations on producing an outstanding AFFORDABLE knife like this. :thumbup:
 
8Cr13MoV was the best performing stainless steel Spyderco could find being made in China. It is being used in all of the byrd models. It will get quite hard and perform well.
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I'll second the "it is quite hard and performs well" part, not that it really means much coming from me over Sal ;)

I picked up a PB Crossbill a little over a year ago and was very impressed with the F&F, and it only really dulled out when I tried to cut a bike tire in half with it before I realized there is a wire running around the edge.:o At that point I decided to use a Lanskey to reprofile the blade to something closer to 15 degrees. It took me twice as long as to get the job done than it did with any of CRKT's AUS 8 blades that I reprofiled. After I reprofiled the blade I used the knife for about 2 months solid while gutting and remodeling a building, which included a lot of cutting cardboard and scoring sound board and gypsum board, among other things.

The only problem I had was with the lack of texture on the back of the blade where you would place your thumb. I remedied that issue with a Dremel tool by making some small cuts, about an 1/8" apart, in the back of the blade where the blade meets the handle when opened.

All in all I would say that the Crossbill is a heck of a knife for $25.
 
Padawan said:
Yes, the knives marked 440C were the earliest runs. However, all of the knives are in fact 8Cr13MoV. :thumbup:
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Will Byrds ever become collectable? If so these first production, 440C marked knives would be at the top of a Byrd collectors "want" list.
 
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