Caly3 in ZDP-189 and Carbon Fiber

Thom,

Smartypants. ;) I *do* have my dmt diafolds in my suitcase. How sick is that?

Gunmike1,

Thanks for the hints, I'm going to try and ease off the pressure. I think I'm bearing down too much, but need some practice... Ceramic seems to burr it badly, but the red/blue is not bad.
 
sodak said:
I *do* have my dmt diafolds in my suitcase. How sick is that?
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Considering that you could've devoted that space to Matsunaga King pocket waterstones or slip files or Shapton 'Shapeables,' it's a bit revolting. ;)

sodak said:
Ceramic seems to burr it badly, but the red/blue is not bad.
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Ceramics take much smaller bites out of steel than 325 and 600 grit diamonds. Attempting to stuff their little faces leaves a whole lot of pressure with nowhere to go but back into the edge. Along with the initial burr that may create, fatigue may travel further behind the edge than when using more aggressive hones or lighter pressure.
 
Recieved my Caly3 ZDP-189 today, and it is all and more than what others in this thread have said. I'm pretty sure that it is the sharpest 'out of the box' knife that I have ever owned. It is absolutely my favorite Spyderco.

Frank
 
Frank_Zuccarini said:
It is absolutely my favorite Spyderco.
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That is a strong statement, Frank. And one that's easy to share!

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Oddly, the regular Calypso 3; which has everything a knifeknut needs (VG-10 leaf blade with thin edge, bronzed deep-carry pocket clip, G-10 scales with full steel liners, satin-smooth action at most every setting of pivot tension, lockback/midlock with Boye dent for added security, integral choil); didn't compell me as much as the ZDP and carbon fiber version. As you can see from the scratches above, it's not a display item, either. The VG10/G10 model did like hanging out with the marzipan spiders, though:

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Thom, why do you torture me with pictures of the knives I want the most? My overtime and expense money will be disappearing faster than normal, especially when that Takeda gets paid for next week. I guess the question then becomes do I go back to buying more folders or more high end Japanese kitchen knives. As much as I covet a Caly 3, I have a feeling that the Takeda will addict me to the goodness of 64 RC carbon steel kitchen knives with anorexic edges.

Mike
 
sodak said:
Gunmike1,

Thanks for the hints, I'm going to try and ease off the pressure. I think I'm bearing down too much, but need some practice... Ceramic seems to burr it badly, but the red/blue is not bad.
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I have been having good luck with Shapton Glasstones on my ZDP (and everything else I've tried) lately. It cuts fast and clean with minimal burring, and it resists gouging and stays flat much better than Nortons (I haven't gouged one yet, and I'm ham fisted). A few seconds with a D8C gets them flat after a few seconds, too. They aren't the cheapest stones, but I am a convert now, thanks to Thom. The DMT's also work great at the Coarse and Fine finshes, as well, but the Shaptons polish them up nice when you want a good show off edge that push cuts like hell.

Mike
 
All right, you two. Where's the best on line source for these Shapton's? My straight razors will thank you.
 
sodak said:
Where's the best on line source for these Shapton's?
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The problem is that Glasstones are only available at full MSRP. We got ours at www.lienielsen.com and you can get 'em from www.shaptonstones.com If you want any other Shapton stone, go to www.japanwoodworker.com

Your straight razors will thank you more if you flatten and groove out some cast iron plates and use diamond slurry for 6 microns down to 0.1 micron. For the finishing touch, make a homemade slurry of Linde B 0.05 microns aluminum oxide powder and glycerin. Linde B is softer than other AO abrasives, but harder than most razor steels (unless Lloyd or Phil made a CPM10V razor for you :p ), so it should work.
 
Just the usual assortment of DOVO's nothing exotic, so Linde B might work just fine, thanks for all the leads, I'll give them a shot!

I'm already stropping down to 3 microns, I took it down to 0.25 microns, and had some real problems with burring. Always fun to try something different, though!
 
To go from 3 to 0.25 would be a lot to ask of a thin edge, even if the compound used is very aggressive. The Linde B probably won't do more than cost a lot and be messy (0.3 microns is the standard smallest particle size on a lot of respirators - so that's a concern, too) unless you already start with a sub-micron polish.
 
Sorry, should have been more specific. I have diamond compounds in 0.25, 0.5, and 1 microns. I stropped my way all the way down, using HA leather on their ceramic/magnetic hone holder. No joy, although the HA system is great! I try and finish it off with Belgian coticules blue and yellow, with a Nagura slurry, and worse results.

Then I take a Thiers-Isaard paste of 3 microns onto a canvas side of a cheap canvas/leather strop, and strop away. Gives me an edge on my straight that will bring tears to your eyes... Go figure!

Who knows? I've tried multiple systems, and am ready to sell / give away most, and stick with what works. But that doesn't mean I can't try new ones!
 
sodak said:
Sorry, should have been more specific. I have diamond compounds in 0.25, 0.5, and 1 microns. I stropped my way all the way down, using HA leather on their ceramic/magnetic hone holder. No joy, although the HA system is great! I try and finish it off with Belgian coticules blue and yellow, with a Nagura slurry, and worse results.

Then I take a Thiers-Isaard paste of 3 microns onto a canvas side of a cheap canvas/leather strop, and strop away. Gives me an edge on my straight that will bring tears to your eyes... Go figure!

Who knows? I've tried multiple systems, and am ready to sell / give away most, and stick with what works. But that doesn't mean I can't try new ones!
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I have the glass plate with the magnetic backing for my HA flatbed system that I use for lapping films, and it is a nice set up that works very good on my knives. I always seem to roll the edge with the leather pad though, I guess I have no finesse. I would love to get a straight razor, but it is a big no no right now with my soon to be 3 year old getting into everything in sight. Maybe one day I will join the straight razor club. In the meanwhile my to buy list is too long anyway, so it is probably a good thing that my wife has banned straight razors from the house.

Mike
 
Good plan. I keep mine up in a closet a good 7 ft. off the ground and hidden. Straights can do some *serious* damage to the unsuspecting. Of course, mine are old enough and have seen enough of my knives cutting things that they know better than to touch...
 
I love my Caly3! I live in the Denver area so I paid pretty close to MSRP at the Spyderco Outlet Store, but I was able to pick through the several they had on hand to make sure I got one with a solid lockup and a nice temper line... Of course, all of them were almost identical. :D

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