Camel Bone? As good as Cattle Bone?

Blackbrit, generally speaking, physical anthropologists study the bodies and bones of humans and ancestral species. A zooarchaeologist would be one who studies the remains/processing/use of animals, etc.

As an undergrad I did a paper on factors affecting bone use for utilitarian purposes; I got a bit into different considerations affecting choice. Density and thickness are related. Both tend to come out of how much stress the bone undergoes. Heavy land animals tend to have thicker leg bones; the same bone with be thicker/denser on a cow than a deer, a camel than a cow, an elephant than a camel. In cattle of the same age, range cattle will tend to have thicker/more dense bone than feedlot cattle.

Age is another factor. Using whitetail deer bones as an example, the bone increases in density/thickness to a point. Beyond that point, there is a decrease in bone density--old age comes to every living thing. With cattle, increased age at slaughter will typically result in thicker/more dense bone.

I didn't specifically look at factors affecting absorption of dyes, but while dying bones for photographs, did note that increased bone density had a negative effect on dye absorption. Rather than puzzle out why, I just switched dyes.

Hope that makes sense, I may have missed something whilst trying to sort through memories of a 50 page paper written a decade ago.
 
Camel bone is a bit more dense and therefore a bit stronger..... not by much.... Camels I think are bigger/heavier and therefore would have stronger bones to support the weight. Still, I think most appeal should be by appearance, I think one should look at both and then decide. I probably like cattle better just due to the American Tradition, but some of each would be even better.
 
I had always heard that the south american cattle bone was denser because they were range cattle. Not sure if this is entirely true, or if it is still the case today.
 
Density is not necessarily an asset for bone knife handles. If cleaned/processed improperly, dense bone can be more brittle, and crack or chip more easily when it is riveted, and in subsequent use!
GEC's bone is custom-processed and provides optimum characteristics.
Straight from the errr, horse's mouth!:D
 
Blackbrit, generally speaking, physical anthropologists study the bodies and bones of humans and ancestral species. A zooarchaeologist would be one who studies the remains/processing/use of animals, etc.

As an undergrad I did a paper on factors affecting bone use for utilitarian purposes; I got a bit into different considerations affecting choice. Density and thickness are related. Both tend to come out of how much stress the bone undergoes. Heavy land animals tend to have thicker leg bones; the same bone with be thicker/denser on a cow than a deer, a camel than a cow, an elephant than a camel. In cattle of the same age, range cattle will tend to have thicker/more dense bone than feedlot cattle.

Age is another factor. Using whitetail deer bones as an example, the bone increases in density/thickness to a point. Beyond that point, there is a decrease in bone density--old age comes to every living thing. With cattle, increased age at slaughter will typically result in thicker/more dense bone.

I didn't specifically look at factors affecting absorption of dyes, but while dying bones for photographs, did note that increased bone density had a negative effect on dye absorption. Rather than puzzle out why, I just switched dyes.

Hope that makes sense, I may have missed something whilst trying to sort through memories of a 50 page paper written a decade ago.

Lovely, coffeecup! I enjoy stuff like this so much. And thank you for correcting my improper use of "physical anthropologist"! I had a feeling I was one degree - or more - of differentiation off. "Zooarchaeologist" then. :)

Smart you to write a paper on such an interesting subject. And thank you for sharing!

waynorth said:
Density is not necessarily an asset for bone knife handles.

I think this is what we see in your lovely designs, Charlie! :thumbup: I am about to be a proud owner of your red soup bone anniversary edition, courtesy of the exchange. I love what you and GEC have done with that cattle bone.

I believe that collectorknives was a bit surprised at how well the GEC camel on his #77 special order had taken the red dye. I was able to get the red camel bone version, again, courtesy of the Exchange, and the covers are richly and uniformly dyed. Not what he hoped for, if I remember correctly, but to me, beautiful. I wonder why the camel took the dye so intensely in that run? Or am I remembering correctly...?:o
 
Density is not necessarily an asset for bone knife handles. If cleaned/processed improperly, dense bone can be more brittle, and crack or chip more easily when it is riveted, and in subsequent use!
GEC's bone is custom-processed and provides optimum characteristics.
Straight from the errr, horse's mouth!:D


Thanks Charlie for your input!
so would the G.E.C. Camel bone be custom-processed as well as the cattle Bone ? and be better than standard Camel bone?
 
just wanted to say thanks for all the great info, I have contemplated some of the very same questions, to better care for my yellow camel bone Fremont jack!
 
"Camel bone is desired for its large size. It is slightly more dense that cow shin bone." - Culpepper Supply

Personally, I like cow shin bone because it takes a dye more evenly.

Personally, I like the variations in dye that you see particularly in the Northwoods Hawthorne.

KSF is smart enough to let you pick the particular knife you want. The knives are about as similar to each other as worn denim jeans and I appreciate that.

So you pay your money and make your choice.

Me, I bought each blade of the Hawthorne in blue camel bone and love both knives. I'm carrying one of them today.

YMMV, but isn't it nice to have a choice?

;)
 
Coffecup got it right! As a general rule the more weight the animal, the more thick and dense the bone, but also the phisical activity plays a major role, to the extent that a free deer has stronger bones than a battery breeded cow. Astronauts returning from long missions easily exibit fractures until recovery! The bones adapt automatically to the phisical stress, like the muscles and the skin.
The dye penetrate the porosity of the bone (the one that we see, and the micro porosity we don't see), so less mineralized bones get more deeply impregnated.
The fact that a stronger bone seems to chip more then a less strong one is because the less strong bone has more porosity to collapse, adsobing the impact energy before chipping...like a car bumper.
 
I've generally found my camel bone knives to go longer without water than bovine. YMMV.
 
Addylo,

I am so glad you finally said this. Something had been lurking in the back of my pea brain, and you just found it. Thank you for the smile! :D

I've generally found my camel bone knives to go longer without water than bovine. YMMV.
 
i have some Giraffe bone. similar to Camel bone. very strong material, takes dye well.
i guess it's what you like and what is available or popular.
the old timey knives were made from cow bone and later from Zebu.pearl,abalone,celluloid and wood were also used
Pearl was nice but i havn't seen many old examples without cracks or pieces missing. same for wood and bone.
my two cents worth.
by the way the Giraffe bone i have is purple,argh.

buzz
 
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