Camillus 72 Whittler Pattern

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In recent times I have become more and more captivated by the Camillus 72 Whittler pattern. I love the combination of the large clip, small pen and the coping blades. The swell center configuration also fits well in my hand as does the 3-1/2” to 3-5/8” size.The only drawback is that I don't find that Camillus ever did much in terms of handle materials with these knives other than their standard delrin handles in a limited range of colors. I know that Schrade made the 863 that fits this pattern and that GEC has made the #33 Whittler on this pattern although it does not appear on their production schedule very often.

So my question is where else can I find knives that fit this pattern with more handle options?

Swell center handle.
Closed length around 3-1/2”
Master blade: Clip
Secondary blades: Pen and coping

I don't think that the pattern began with Camilus, so does this pattern have any special history?
 
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Craftsman 9494 (Schrade/Ulster 63). I'm one who prefers delrin.

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A pic of the Ulster Craftsman with a Camillus for comparison. The Camillus has since been given away here.

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Queen has there model 48. D2 steel, stag, honey Amber stag bone, zebra wood, ect. Pretty reasonable prices as well. 3.5" overall length. Schatt and Morgan probably has their version as well.
 
This is one of several of my 72s.
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Looks like I will have to chase down some of the Craftsman, Queen and S&M knives. Any more info or ideas would be appreciated.
 
Ah, the camillus carpenter whittler. What's not to like there. I've always admired that combination and blade layout, but I just can't get into the pattern shape I had a two blade GEC version, let it go to kba. We all have our preferences..........
 
It's a serpentine rather than a swell center, but Western made a whittler with that blade configuration in both carbon and stainless.



Here's a Camillus in yellow:

 
Those are great little knives Mort. Here is my 72Y Yellow Jacket Whittler. I like the way Camillus described the small clip blade as a "Pen Clip".

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Camillus' Description:

CM-72Y Yello-Jaket 3 Blade Whittler
420HC stainless steel blades
Yello-Jaket etch on main blade
Smooth yellow Delrin handles
Nickel silver bolsters and nickel silver oval Camillus shield
Brass pins and liners
3 Blade Whittler clip, pen clip and coping blade, 3 5/8" closed
 
Those are great little knives Mort. Here is my 72Y Yellow Jacket Whittler. I like the way Camillus described the small clip blade as a "Pen Clip".

Thanks Ed! I recognized that it is not a true pen but never heard any other name for the blade.

Jake, I have heard about some bone handled cammys but have never seen one for sale or in the flesh. Will have to look harder.

I have also seen Case make this pattern but most swell center Cases I have seen don't include the coping blade and those who have them aren't letting go of them.
 
Excuse the ignorance, but what specifically makes this pattern a whittler according to Camillus? I have always associated a whittler as a 3 blade pattern with the primary at one end, secondaries on the other?
 
Excuse the ignorance, but what specifically makes this pattern a whittler according to Camillus? I have always associated a whittler as a 3 blade pattern with the primary at one end, secondaries on the other?

This has been brought up before, and the best answer I've got was because that's what Camillus wanted to call it. Maybe they thought the use of a pen and coping blade instead of a Spey and sheepsfoot made it more of a whittler then a stockman. All I know is that I love the knifes sleekness. The blades all have a nice low profile, and the joints are just about sunken. And all this is packed in a very slim frame. Oh, and that sabre clip with a matchstrike pull is aesthetic perfection!

I have one of the earlier generations with the pen blade instead of the mini clip and what I believe to be bone covers. I'll try to remember to get a pic of it tomorrow. I actually through it in my pocket earlier today after reading through this thread.
 
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Here's a Camillus 72 that was made only in 1946 and sports Roger Bone (some refer to it as the 1st generation 72)... check the blade arrangement in particular the coping blade... a short line Camillus stamp... I'm not a collector of Camillus but just happened to find this one which I couldn't resist...

 
I love the 72. The only pic I have of mine is this older group shot of my then carries. Bottom center....

 
Here is an example (like Long Blade's) with the pen and coping blade combo, as shown in the 1946 catalog.

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Holy guacamole Hal! That is just over the moon. None of my first Gen 72s are even close to that condition. I'm slack jawed in awe.

Anyway, my original intent was to respond to Lee's post stating that "some" refer to the 1946 version as the "First Generation" #72. I may be the "some" he is referring to because I think I was the first person to call it that.

I've long maintained that the Camillus #72 was first introduced to the market, shortly after WWII in 1946. That may not be true because I acquired a High Carbon Steel STA-SHARP Wood Carver 9511 (Camillus made) which the Kastor List claims was made during the years 1927-1940. (really?) I also have an Empire - W. Winsted CT but it may or may not be a counterfeit. That said, I have to admit pre-WWII Carpenters & Whittlers may exist. It's difficult to tell.

I still consider Camillus the original so lets run down the history of the pattern. As was mentioned the Camillus #72 Carpenters & Whittlers knife was first in the 1946 catalog with a note at the end saying the coping blade had been moved to pair with the main blade and the pen blade had been discontinued in favor of the small clip blade at the bottom of the frame. The date attached to this announcement was May 1, 1947. This configurations lasted until the early 2000's.

As everyone knows (or should know) dating a Camillus knife using the tang stamp is a fools errand and will only get you within a decade or so. Handle material will get you closer and even that is just a guess. So that said............

Camillus used a black synthetic (or maybe two different formulas) from the 1920's or maybe 1930's up into the early/mid 1950's. Handles were held on to the knife with little triangles punched through from the inside of the line. That method had been used since the 1930s. They also used bone up until approximately 1956.

Sometime in the early 1950s they stopped saber grinding both sides of the main blade and went to a flat grind on the pile side. The mark side saber grind was discontinued in 1992 and all the 72s after that had both sides of the main blade flat ground.

In 1957 (or so) they introduced a brown synthetic they called "Brownstag". This material was much more stable than the black stuff that proceeded it. It didn't shrink much and it didn't shrivel up like a "Shrinky Dink" (you older fellas may remember that child's toy). The Brownstag handles were pinned on.

Dupont® commenced production their new Delrin® factory in West Virginia in 1960 and Camillus switched to Delrin® handles in the mid to late 1960s. Delrin® in different shades of bone color plus yellow (the Yello-Jaket knives) was used from then until close of business in 2007.

In about 1976 Camillus stopped pinning the handles on the #72 and went to a post construction. A hole (appx. 3/16" Just a guess) was drilled in the liners on each end of the handle and a post was molded into the cover that went through the hole. Check your newer Camillus knives that have no handle pins. It's easy to see.

The #5 was made from 1999 until 2003. It was really a 72 with plain wood handles, plain long pull and brass bolsters. The handles were pinned on of course.

Camillus made some collectors editions during the last two or three decades before they went bankrupt and several SFOs for stamps such as Remington (R14), Harley-Davidson (HD-21), Olsen, McGrew, Rigid (RG70), Keen Kutter (786 & J30), Moor Man's, Montgomery Wards Powr-Kraft (84-11) and Stanley (SL6).

The Camillus Boy Scout version of the 72 is called a 1047.

Schrade (1953-1980) made the 863 for themselves and for Sears (9494). Ulster made the 63 and Imperial made a Boy Scout edition.

Other tang stamps that made a 72 clone were Lamplough (#52 - Germany), Trustworthy Hardware (#36810 made by Schrade) and York Cutlery (Germany).

I may have missed one or two but in my defense, I have 15 pounds of Camillus 72s and their clones. It may be an obsession.
 
Awesome 72 Hal !!!

Hey Jerry - Thanks for posting that historical perspective - great stuff :thumbup:!! and yes you were the "some" who called it a 1st generation :)
 
You guys have shown some great examples, but my-oh-my, Hal, that minty old 72 is a stunner!

Here's my humble example.
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When I got it the pen and coping had been sharpened down quite a bit, and they had lost some of their snap. However, the clip was/ is in great shape.
Jerry, thanks for that very informative history lesson.
 
Hal, if you ever decide you don't really need that beauty anymore, I would appreciate consideration as the next custodian.


Lee, Your contribution to the thread was overshadowed by the knife Hal showed but I gotta tell ya, that is one fine example you stumbled on to and anyone would be proud to own it.
 
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