Camillus made Remington Repros -- Steel Type?

Just as information...

You can buy black jigged Delrin handled traditional styled folders directly off the Remington website for $15.00 a piece. They say they use 440 steel (no further classification)...are not stamped, only etched...and don't say "Made in the U.S.A." I believe when they moved to North Carolina, Remington began outsourcing that line to "Offshore" as they called it. I think there were many sold through Smoky Mountain's catalog...maybe someone has an old catalog?

Bill
 
knifeswapper said:
Well confirmed with Marvin at BRK that they bought them directly from Camillus. Thus, either this conspiracy goes very deep or you have missed something Phil.

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They are superior in quality to any of the MooreMaker composites or Stanley (Camillus made) products I have on hand; so if they are not made by Camillus then I may have been giving Camillus too much credit to my customers. I can't speak to their comparison with Camillus branded items as I have never been able to sell them at a profit. But, agreed that these are butt ugly....
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We did make the ones with the "Full Color Photo Inlays".
That is not those 3 knives.
The mystery continues......
 
The tang stamp matches identically to the COA pictured, which came in every box of the 5 models I have in stock. It is the same COA that came with a couple of the photo inlay knives I no longer have in stock.

Do you say Camillus never made a Remington with the Madison tang stamp?
 
Phil,

Hate to ever doubt you but...........just this one time, I think..........I just might be right. Admittedly, I made plenty of wrong decisions while at Camillus!
 
i contacted one of the ebay sellers who lists these red/yellow Remington Bullet repros. in response to my question, if these knives are the Camillus from early '90s, he stated "these models that i am listing are newer". he went on to tell me of a number of Camillus Bullet repros that he has, but not listed, including a 1989 silver bullet trapper in bone 1/5000, with serial # , for a price over $100. so, there is a difference and he knows it. but by looking at the item on ebay, unless you have "insider" knowledge, you would assume it is a Camillus from the '90s.
i have 2 Rough Riders, 2 Steel Warriors and a Marbles, all made in China, all very solid well made knives. my bullet repro. moose seems similar (especially the very good edge grind). so, it's a guess, but i think "made in China". roland
 
Phil Gibbs said:
We did make the ones with the "Full Color Photo Inlays".
That is not those 3 knives.
The mystery continues......
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Hi folks - interesting thread. I too own one of the mystery "Remingtons". Could someone please explain the "Full Color Photo Inlays". What are they and what do they look like?
 
They are definitely not from the early nineties. They were made around 2003 or 4. And I want to say that they were an exclusive for SMKW but can't say for sure now.
 
these recent Remington Bullet knives are stamped in such a way as to lead all but the expert, to think that they, like those of a decade ago, are made by Camillus. it is a deliberate attempt to mislead the consumer, otherwise the tang would be stamped with country of origin, and perhaps manufacturer. the USA on these knives just tells you that is where Remington is; and we know they have not made knives for a long time.
if they are made in China, that fact is being concealed. extrapolating this hypothesis; is this the tip of the iceberg ? are there many different knives being churned out to mimic popular older premium knife series and then market them in a manner which leads buyers to assume they are the originals ? or, am i just getting a little paranoid ? roland
 
Where can the values be found on Yearly bullet knives. I Have picked up several over the years all repros.
 
c'mon guys, i think this is the most significant thread around right now. someone knows who makes these red/yellow Bullet repros, and WHERE THEY ARE MADE. why the secrecy ? will those who have a connection with the knife business do some investigating and find out? it MIGHT really be the tip of a very significant iceberg.
 
Phil,

If I can trouble you one more time:

"Phil mentioned that some of the Camillus-built Remingtons were 440-B and, later, 440-A. Was this the case for the Camillus stainless models also? If so, approximately when was the switch made from 440-B to 440-A? Thank you".

In your next message on this thread you provided your estimate of dates for these two grades with respect to Remingtons. What about for stainless items in the Camillus line, specifically those models of the "Indian Stag" group that were stainless? Thanks again.
 
The steel dates for Camillus & Remington products would be the same.
 
rprocter said:
c'mon guys, i think this is the most significant thread around right now. someone knows who makes these red/yellow Bullet repros, and WHERE THEY ARE MADE. why the secrecy ? will those who have a connection with the knife business do some investigating and find out? it MIGHT really be the tip of a very significant iceberg.
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Knifeswapper and RickR, both of whom have a basis for believing it, are of the opinion that they were made by Camillus. That's good enough for me.
 
longbeachguy said:
Knifeswapper and RickR, both of whom have a basis for believing it, are of the opinion that they were made by Camillus. That's good enough for me.
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well, i can only go on the opinions of others as well. Phil Gibbs, who also seems to have quite a bit of knowledge about Camillus, thinks they were not made by Camillus. perhaps i'm just getting a little paranoid about buying a made in China knife, thinking it is a USA knife. there continue to be quite a few of these red/yellow Remingtons on ebay every week, so i do think it odd that there is uncertainty about their origin. roland
 
also, there was a thread (in Traditionals i think) awhile back stating that certain Solingen knife companies were having some of their models made in China. the tangs were stamped in the Chinese factory either with "Solingen", "Germany", or both and the knives were then shipped back to the company in Solingen and sold. the knife companies, all with substantial history of making their own knives in Solingen, along with the tang stamped "Germany", led one to believe they are made in Solingen in the companies manufacturing plant just as they always had been. the rationaal to justify the deception is that Solingen (or Germany) was the source of the steel used in the knives. it did not say "made in Germany".
so, if this is accurate, then i'm sure it's not isolated. roland
 
Thanks for the confirmation that the timing of the 440B to 440A switch was similar for Camillus and Remington.
 
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