Camillus, Mom, and apple pie.

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Camillus.

There was a Roman general named Camillus, and he was a very victorious soldier, leading the Legions to victory over the enemies of the empire. There's a city in New York that is named Camillus, and in that fair place was a knife factory. Of course, this knife factory was named after the city I presume. But maybe the city was named after the Roman, I don't know. But what I do know is, the city, and the knife factory there made some pretty great cutlery in their day. If any knife company could be called a hero, I'm sure Camillus could be so. Their fall was a blow to American history.

The Camillus company was once called "The Contract King." By this, it was inferred that Camillus may just have made as many knives for other people under other brands, than they did for themselves. The early Buck pocket knives were made by Camillus, one of which I carried for twenty five years in my pre knife knut days when I was under the fools impression that a man could get by with one knife. Silly me. But when you think of all the millions of knives that Camillus made for other knife companies, and then they had their own knives out there. I wonder if they could have been the biggest knife company in the United States?

Then we have the question, how could we have won WW2 without them. Oh sure, there was some Imperial around, and PAL, Scrade, and even some Kabar's and some others. But looking at the war souvenirs and what came home in the duffle bags and pockets of GI's, sailors, Marines, and many of our allies pockets, I wonder. My Uncle Charlie waded onto a beach in France and walked all the way to Germany with a Camillus TL-29 in his pocket. Aside from the bayonet for his M1, it was his sole cutlery, and he had no complaints. Another uncle, my Uncle Sonny, spent the war living in a drafty Quonset hut in eastern England, flying B17's over Germany. In his leather flying jacket pocket was an issue all steel Camillus MLK knife. The one people call a demo knife. Uncle Sonny became a fan of the scout knife pattern, and for the rest of his 28 year Air Force career, carried one in his flight suit. Another uncle, joined the navy right after Pearl Harbor, and when they learned he grew up handling fishing boats on the Chesapeake Bay, they sweet talked him onto volunteering for PT boat duty. He came home with a Camillus stockman in his pocket that he clung to for the rest of his life. Wouldn't carry another knife. It was even a basic civilian model, with jigged brown plastic handles and "Property U. S. Government" etched on the main clip blade. It was like the armed services were hungry for any knives, and Camillus took strait civilian style pocket knives, gave them a quick etch, and sent them off to whatever service branch was yelling for them.

When it came time for my hitch in the service, I enlisted in the army not long after high school. I really didn't know what I wanted to do with my life, so I figured a hitch in the service would give me time to think and at least get some GI benefits for any college. Just a quick three years I figured. The very first knife I got out of boot camp was at the Engineer school at Ft. Leonard Wood Missouri. The supply sergeant that issued our tools shoved a Camillus MKL knife in my tool bag and I was on my way. Seven years later, when they shipped me out to a little country in Southeast Asia that not many Americans had heard of, they gave me a Camillus MK2 that I shoved in my duffle bag. The little Camillus all steel scout knife was so popular, and easy to get from our supply room, they could be traded off for other goods and services. Okay, mostly services. Toss in a carton of cigarettes and a can of Maxwell house coffee, and you had it made. At least until dawn.

And this is just one family experience. My whole family that ever served in anything having to do with the service, came home with a Camillus in the pocket. I wasn't unusual, 20 years and more after the war, to see some vet, working on his car, the house, by the fishing hole, with a Camillus pocket knife courtesy of Uncle Sam.

I wonder if, with the huge history that Camillus had, if it isn't like the quiet elephant in the corner of the room. Doesn't get a lot of talk or glory, but they sure did their share of knives for the country. I know I was sad to see them go. It left kind of a void, like if mom stopped baking apple pies.

Carl.
 
The famous US Marine KaBar fixed bladed knife we all know about... Well.... it was the US gov'mint and Camillus that we owe that design to... Of course KaBar takes the credit. I mean, KaBar made them too during ww2, but they were not the designers of it :-)
 
Did they really get too big? Quality went down hill? They were all over the place in regards to tactical, old timey, military. Mismanagement issues?

No idea they are missed. I have a few pieces I will get pics of and put up. Two scouts, a cattleman rehandled and a daddy Barlow I showed you a couple years ago.
 
I thought the USMC knife was based on the PAL MK2? Camillus made it in larger numbers and Kabar kinda rode on the coattails?
 
Carl great post. In the few short years I've known about Camillus I have come to love them. I have picked up quite a few and can say most of them have been solid well made knives. Often rivaling my customs in their own way. There is just something about them. They have great walk and talk. Take a keen edge and never let me down. They look and feel great in the hand. Most of mine don't have fancy bone scales but Delrin. Still it doesn't matter I can't get enough of them.
It is such a shame that they went out. A big part of America went with them.
Neal
 
"In 1942, U.S. Marine Corps officers Colonel John M. Davis and Major Howard E. America working in conjunction with cutlery technicians at Camillus developed what would become the USMC 1219C2 Combat Knife, otherwise known as the USMC Mark 2 Combat Knife or Fighting Utility Knife. After extensive trials, the 1219C2 prototype was recommended for adoption, and Camillus was awarded the first contract to produce the 1219C2 for the Marine Corps."
 
Carl, as always, thanks for another superb essay.

My first knife was a Camillus TL-29, given to me by my dad, when I was a cub scout. A solid knife, to be sure. Lost somewhere along the way...just recently I bought another on the auction site, and am glad to say that my impressions years ago weren't based solely on nostalgia--it is a great knife!

I've picked up a few other Camillus knives, and I'm consistently impressed with the character and craftsmanship. In particular, the medium jack knife. That steel will take and hold an incredible edge, and the blades snap with authority. All for about 15 bucks from the auction site, I can carry this piece of 40-year-old American history around and use it with confidence. It's a darn good looking knife, to boot.

Though Camillus is gone (sorry but I don't count their present incarnation as part of their legacy), I'm glad to see others value the Camillus tradition, and have stories to tell.

Thanks again Carl!
 
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Their Craftsman line was outstanding. I found an old Craftsman and an old example of a Camillus TL29, both had some mileage but were good knives. Not my cup of tea but nice knives. I've had tons of Camillus patterns. Remington's, Camcos, OVB. All the other lines that shall not be named and an updated USMC. Had a few pilots knives too. Gave away a cigar jack here ( maybe he'll post a new pic).
 
Didn't realize I had so many.

Cold Steel Ozark Hunter with forced apple cider vinegar and Remington 1984 R1303.
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Camillus no 9 and a Remington peanut that Carl gave me
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Camillus cattleman that Bob Picklesimer put red bone scales on
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Made in USA, Remington and Camillus scout knives
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Camillus made Remington branded knives. They also made Cold Steel knives for a spell.

You know there is just something about the shape of a Camillus clip blade that is just so right...

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The demise of many old US and Sheffield cutlery companies is a shame. At least we have forums like this to honour the tradition. I only have a few Camillus knives. By far my favourite is this WWII US Army knife. Some virtual apple pie for Sunday lunch.

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Very interesting post Carl, a pleasure to read as always :thumbup:

 
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I grew up using a lot of the Craftsman/Camillus pocketknives. Then during my time in the Army, after I broke a KaBar, I carried a Camillus Pilot's Knife for quite a while. The KaBar was sexier, but way bigger than I needed. The Pilot's Knife was just the right size for what I needed. Traded it off to another soldier for something, now in looking back I wish I'd kept it.
 
they made a fine electricians knife, i find them more then most makers in flea markets and such speaking to just how many of them were produced, i have several from different eras, as far as I've been able to date them, and hey are ll solid and fine examples of the kind

 
Don't forget that they made Imperial Frontier knives also.

They did*?! Son of a gun, I was going to say I had two Camillus knives before I managed to get one that actually said "Camillus" on it anywhere, but if this is the case the number's actually four.

Great writing as always, Carl.

--Mark

*I am surprised because my Frontiers look to be Swindon key construction, so I figured them for secret Schrades, deep down.
 
rune1279, if you look at the first picture you can see the pivot pin on some of the knives. I have over 100 Frontiers in my collection and they have exposed pins.
 
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