Camillus Strike Is Over

Man, talk about a lot of misinformation. Camillus's problems did not stem from the Union. They stemmed from a hundred year old business model driven primarily by OEM manufacturing. You can't keep all these OEM customers happy making knives in the U.S. that they can buy in China for a fraction of the price. And OEM manufacturing was always Camillus' main business. Knives with their brand on it were a minority of the products they made. You don't change a business model quickly or easily. They weren't the victim of union or management. They were a victim of changes in the world that caused what they do to become obsolescent.

The fact that it is still in business also has nothing to do with the union. It has to do with management's desire to save it and save at least part of its manufacturing heritage.

The union workers at Camillus are currently at work making knives, not repackaging knives made by "slave labor." The first production run was the Becker 7. They are readily available for the first time in a long time.

There will be no more Cold Steel Carbon V. All of those products are moving to Taiwan and China and will be made of 1095 carbon steel or an equivalent. I'm sure Cold Steel will never do business with Camillus again. I won't get into the details.

My own opinion is that Camillus would have done well to abandon manufacturing completely. Instead they decided to downsize and that, folks, is a benefit to the union workers that have been recalled. It is a gutsy decision and a hard one to manage to success. If they had done what I thought they should have done, there wouldn't be a union worker left at all.

As it stands now, Camillus has lost most of its major OEM customers - Cold Steel, Remington and others. Their product line is decimated since they can't get anywhere near the production capacity they once had. It is a hard uphill struggle from this point forward. I wish them well. They are an American knife making institution and deserve our help and encouragement. Bad mouthing them won't help anybody.
 
Thanks Knife Outlet....you obviously have a broader perspective and have access to some information regarding the situation the rest of us lack. My comment about Thompson's newspaper quote was more a "tongue-in cheek, shot-across-the bow " ( how's that for a mixed metaphor ? ) aimed at Lynn's hyperbolic advertising.

I grew up many moons ago in Central NY State (rich in the proud heritage of knife making), near Camillus, on the outskirts of Syracuse......Utica Cutlery is "next door"......Schrade was still operating at the base of the Catskills in Ellenville.....Ontario remains yet on the "Southern Tier" where Case began over a century ago. You favor us with the reminder that......
They are an American knife making institution and deserve our help and encouragement. Bad mouthing them won't help anybody.
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Thanks for the reality lesson !...and certainly, those who respect the tradition of American knife manufacturing, can only hope Camillus finds a niche......and hangs on.

-My regards
 
"Man, talk about a lot of misinformation. Camillus's problems did not stem from the Union. They stemmed from a hundred year old business model driven primarily by OEM manufacturing. You can't keep all these OEM customers happy making knives in the U.S. that they can buy in China for a fraction of the price. And OEM manufacturing was always Camillus' main business. Knives with their brand on it were a minority of the products they made."


True. When I worked there, the Camillus lines were 3rd quality. Buck and KaBar came first. But we did always have government contracts, and supplied thousands of various knives in my 12 years there.

"The union workers at Camillus are currently at work making knives, not repackaging knives made by "slave labor." "


The union workers haven't worked since May, and according to the local newspaper, the 15 workers that the company planned to recall are specifically to be used for "repackaging" knives made elsewhere.


"My own opinion is that Camillus would have done well to abandon manufacturing completely. If they had done what I thought they should have done, there wouldn't be a union worker left at all."

I get the impression you drive a Toyota or Hyundai.


"I wish them well. They are an American knife making institution and deserve our help and encouragement.

I agree.


"Bad mouthing them won't help anybody."

The COMPANY obviously has made disasterous decisions in the last several years. If they didn't invest in equipment and the workers, they shot(or stabbed) themselves in the foot. They couldn't keep up with Cold Steel demands?? Who's fault is that??
 
Thanks Knife Outlet....you obviously have a broader perspective and have access to some information regarding the situation the rest of us lack. My comment about Thompson's newspaper quote was more a "tongue-in cheek, shot-across-the bow " ( how's that for a mixed metaphor ? ) aimed at Lynn's hyperbolic advertising.

I grew up many moons ago in Central NY State (rich in the proud heritage of knife making), near Camillus, on the outskirts of Syracuse......Utica Cutlery is "next door"......Schrade was still operating at the base of the Catskills in Ellenville.....Ontario remains yet on the "Southern Tier" where Case began over a century ago. You favor us with the reminder that.......
Thanks for the reality lesson !...and certainly, those who respect the tradition of American knife manufacturing, can only hope Camillus finds a niche......and hangs on.

-My regards


Not sure whether Camillus still is, but years ago they were owned by the Baer family of RI. The family also owned Schrade and Imperial, and a cutlery in Ireland. When I worked at CCC, in the 80's, we knew there was a debate going on that the Baers were going to close one factory. We sweated bullets. Imperial was absorbed by Schrade and the factory closed. It's fairly tough to get information on a privately held company and its assets. I haven't really heard anything different, but I assume Camillus and Schrade are still owned by the same family/entity.
I'm afraid their "niche" will be to "repackage knives made by slave labor".

PS Gramps: I started working at Camillus as a repair cutler trainee in 1972, then progressed to assembly set up and group leader before bidding into the tool room as a die grinder, then progressed to machinist.

As I said in my original post, what a shame.
 
It finally ends after I stockpile so many Becker's

You think any of them might end up in the Exchange forums?;)


Back to the topic though...I don't know much about this specific situation, but American made items are crucial to this country. We can't compete with extremely low wage overseas workers; I see it as a war on us using our own greed...

But that's getting a bit out there...

Will the US military branches order their tanks, choppers, jets, helmets, guns, knives from China? They will (If they aren't already) if US manufacturers keep downsizing themselves into oblivion..
 
I wonder why Cutco/Ka-bar couldn't take over the Cold Steel product line?

IIRC, they moved to their new, larger factory only a few years ago...



-kid
 
I'm not going to take sides here, since, IMHO BOTH sides are swimming against the tide of history.

From what I've seen over the last 20-30 years, both labor and management are to blame for these jobs going overseas. If these companies had been willing to invest the money to automate, with CNC robotics machinery to do 95 percent of the "human labor" and the unions had agreed to gradual transitions from "labor intensive" 19th century style manufacturing, these workers would have been retrained to new careers, or become custom independent makers, many years ago, and the industry would still be American, alive and healthy.

You can't pay $25-$50 per hour for human labor that can be done better and faster by a machine and expect to stay in business. And unions can't expect to keep good pay and benefits for valuable members as long as they insist on trying to protecting obsolete jobs.

Our technological superiority can beat Chinese and Malaysian manpower anyday, if we're willing to contunie to update it, and the unions will allow us to use it. But no one can swim against the tide of history.
 
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