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Well, i didnt know if i had to post this topic in this section or in General, so..


I need help planning a trip.

I want to know the necessary things i need for light camping (i mean, im not going to do a debris shelf, or traps, its more of a pleasant day/night in the woods with a tent.)

#1;
Should i bring my gerber gator, gerber harsey hunter, or buy a better knife ?
The use will mostly consist of cutting wood for fire, and little things like that. But i also want a minimum of a survival knife.

#2;
First-Aid Kit. 2x Small ? Big ? Large ? Should i buy one, two, or make a big one with 4-5 kits ? Matches, ect..

#3;
Food, drinks, survival basic things. What should i bring for food/drink ? I was thinking of some Honey bottle (best source of nutriment), with alot of water... but its more for surival than for pleasant night. i dont know about that. What should i bring with us (we will be 2.) ?

#4;
Flashlight, cellular, batteries, ect. Should we bring a cellular, some flashlight, extra-batteries, ect ? For emergency use...



If i forgot something please tell me ! thanks :)
 
are you going to be hiking in to camp?
right out of your car?
lugin' your stuff to a site?
excluded from other people or next to campsites?
 
Cr4zYH3aD said:
Well, i didnt know if i had to post this topic in this section or in General, so..


I need help planning a trip.

I want to know the necessary things i need for light camping (i mean, im not going to do a debris shelf, or traps, its more of a pleasant day/night in the woods with a tent.)

#1;
Should i bring my gerber gator, gerber harsey hunter, or buy a better knife ?
The use will mostly consist of cutting wood for fire, and little things like that. But i also want a minimum of a survival knife.

#2;
First-Aid Kit. 2x Small ? Big ? Large ? Should i buy one, two, or make a big one with 4-5 kits ? Matches, ect..

#3;
Food, drinks, survival basic things. What should i bring for food/drink ? I was thinking of some Honey bottle (best source of nutriment), with alot of water... but its more for surival than for pleasant night. i dont know about that. What should i bring with us (we will be 2.) ?

#4;
Flashlight, cellular, batteries, ect. Should we bring a cellular, some flashlight, extra-batteries, ect ? For emergency use...



If i forgot something please tell me ! thanks :)

For my overnight quick trips I like a few burgers, some beer/whiskey, a large survival blade, zippo, one or two small flashlights, glock, and cell phone. Best first aid in my opinion is a belt and some big bandages. I'm not going to hang out and dress a wound, I'm going to do my best to stop the bleeding as I'm high-tailing it outta there.
 
chazz said:
are you going to be hiking in to camp?
right out of your car?
lugin' your stuff to a site?
excluded from other people or next to campsites?


humm.. camp.

Nope, not right out of the car... like 1-2 km from it. (far in the woods)

Nope, all the stuff we need with us.

excluded. :)
 
In that case

Small folder (for opening suasage packet) and a folding saw for fire wood to cook sausages on
Sausages
Lots of beer
Aspirin for the morning
Toothpaste so you dont kill your pals with bad breath
Water to put on you burns from taking out the sausage
Cell phone in case something goes wrong.
 
1.IMO, knives are a distant second to a good saw when prepareing for a campfire. (ducks and runs for cover).
2. bring several of your favorites, use 'em, abuse 'em and sort out the one you like best, its a matter of personel preferance.
3. I carry several larger fabric band aids in my wallet at all times. I carry a full up first aid kit, in the jeep (contents developed through years of patching up the less fortunate (and occasionally myself).
Heres, mostly, whats in the jeep kit;
Ace bandage (sometimes cheaper and bigger at vet supply stores)
Military wound dressing
3x3 or 4x4 gause pads (the more layers the better)
large fabric band aids
providene iodine (betadene)
Butterfly bandages (or more fabric bandaids to cut up for butterflys)
a roller of gause(keep sterile wrapper intact untill needed)
a roll of adheasive tape
A small bar of soap
A sam splint
an eye cup (to help wash debries from eyes)
some anti diareal medication
some Sudefeds
some aspirin, tylenlol and/or ibprophen.
A pair of stainless bandage sizzors
a tweezer

For fire concerns stick a BIC lighter in your pocket.

3. Eats depend on what you like, and whether you are packing it in or car camping. The traditional picknick favorites are all good. When with a member of the fairer sex perhapse a bottle of wine, some fruit, bread and cheese for a snack. For entres, burgers, stew, chile, bake potatoes in aluminum foil in camp fire coals/ashes, etc..etc...
Drink... I figure a minimum of a case of beer for myself for a weekend, when in the partying mood. When backpacking a couple of pints of catus juice has had its amusing moments.

4. I carry a $6 small AA LED flash from wallmart all the time now, more powerfull lights reside in the camping kit, and Jeep. I camp to get away from phones, radios, televisions, videogames and computers and cannot recommend taking any of them into the woods. (if an emergency happens deal with it, its the wilderness, and expecting help from 911 (if you even can get a connection) while you or a friend bleeds, or freezes to death is dumb).

If car camping take some lawn chairs they are much more comfortable around the campfire, than rocks, or logs.

Enjoy!
 
Cr4zYH3aD said:
Well, i didnt know if i had to post this topic in this section or in General, so..


I need help planning a trip.

I want to know the necessary things i need for light camping (i mean, im not going to do a debris shelf, or traps, its more of a pleasant day/night in the woods with a tent.)

#1;
Should i bring my gerber gator, gerber harsey hunter, or buy a better knife ?
The use will mostly consist of cutting wood for fire, and little things like that. But i also want a minimum of a survival knife.

#2;
First-Aid Kit. 2x Small ? Big ? Large ? Should i buy one, two, or make a big one with 4-5 kits ? Matches, ect..

#3;
Food, drinks, survival basic things. What should i bring for food/drink ? I was thinking of some Honey bottle (best source of nutriment), with alot of water... but its more for surival than for pleasant night. i dont know about that. What should i bring with us (we will be 2.) ?

#4;
Flashlight, cellular, batteries, ect. Should we bring a cellular, some flashlight, extra-batteries, ect ? For emergency use...



If i forgot something please tell me ! thanks :)

Umm, is this pal of the opposite sex? That'll make a world of difference in what you want for food and drink. :D

If you have a tent and you are both packing in, a pad and sleeping bag.

1) Throw a folder in your pocket. They come in handy for lite duty camp chores. If you don't already have a wilderness blade, I'd recommend something like the Mora 2000. It's inexpensive and is a very good bush knife. If you are experienced with a hand axe, that would be my preference if your firewood detail includes the need to split as well as cut. If you aren't experienced with an axe, I'd go along with the previous suggestion of a saw.

2) First aid kits will need to cover a variety of mishaps, so bandaids, roll of guaze, 2x2s, 4x4s, cloth tape, topical first aid cream, something to clean the area, something to disinfect the wound, butterfly closure strips come in handy for larger wounds, personal medications, over the counter pain killer like ibuprofen, benedryl and imodium AD. Moleskin and foot powder are good to keep the feet going on longer hikes. I placed a SAK in mine for the tweezers and scissors. You can buy a kit and add the personal items to it.

3) I try and have honey with me whenever I'm out and about in the bush. It gives needed energy, has all the good stuff in it and is a great topical for burns. If I know I will have plenty of water, I will take a stick of salami or some jerky to munch on during the day. I will also take parched corn and maybe some oatmeal. Coffee singles and tea, along with seasonings if I know I'll be cooking up a quail or rabbit for dinner.

4) Absolutely take a good flashlight and a cell phone. Extra batteries are a given, but make sure your cell is fully charged and your flashlight batts are fresh. Of course, don't forget a couple of different methods of making fire, including tinder. That way if one fails, you have a backup. A small spade to dig yourself a latrine (cat hole) and take some TP. Cordage, whistle, signal mirror, method of purifying drinking water, water containers full of water. Figure if you will be there overnight, a gallon of water each is safe. If there will be water near your camp that can be cleaned up for drinking, then you can get away with carrying less with you. Dress for the weather and take enough to layer up for the unexpected. If you aren't familiar with the area you're going into, take some bright surveyors tape and leave yourself a trail back to your vehicle. A compass and maps of the area are a good idea as well.
 
There are only a few things that I can add to what Longbow and Happy Joe have mentioned already.

On your first aid kit (whether you make it or buy it), you want to make sure you have some form of Triple Antibiotic cream and Hydrocortisone cream. Something else you may want to have with you is a Swayer extractor. It was originally designed to treat snake bites, but can be used to treat all kind of insect bites as well, including ants and mosquitos.

Sawyer Extractor

On fire starters, for camping trips I usually use Diamomd's Strike-A-Fire. They have the benefits of a 12-minutes-burn tinder and an easy to use fire starter in one.

Diamond's Strike-A-Fire

I second the sugestion of a saw if you are not experienced in using an ax or hatchet. A good option is the Gerber Exchange-A-Blade saw.

Gerber Exchange-A-Blade Saw

If you'll need water purification, consider Micropur's Katadyn water purification tablets. They need 4 hour to work effectively, but don't leave an after taste like iodine. Also, unlike iodine, these tablets are efective against Viruses, Giardia, and Cryptosoridium.

Katadyn Tablets

You may also want to consider carring a multitool. If nothing else, the pliers can come handy to move or remove things form the cooking fire.

You can find the Sawyer Extractor and Diamond's Strike-A-Fire at Walmart or most Outdoor stores. The Katadyn tablets and the Gerber saw can be found at most outdoors stores. All these items are also available through Rei.

http://www.rei.com/

Lastly, You mentioned you wanted 'minimum of a survival knife'. The Mora 2000 is a good option.

2000.jpg


The Mora 2000 is available from:

Mora 2000

If you want something stronger or longer consider Becker's BK 7 ($46.97) or Cold Steel's SRK ($52.00). If you want something stronger and longer than the Mora, but don't want to spent over $30.00, consider the Cold Steel True Flight thowing knife. It has most of the specifications of the SRK at a fraction of the price ($18.00). It doesn't have a comfortable handle and is not a good slicer, but allows you to dig, pry, or baton if you need to.

Becker BK 7

Cold Steel SRK

Cold Steel True Flight throwing Knife

Hope this helps.
 
Yeah, i think ill take the Cold Steel RSK. Pretty nice. And the Spyderco 204 sharpener. The UWK looks pretty nice too. I hope the RSK is sharp and cuts well. Carbon V is layer of carbone , right ? Ill check if i have money left after that for another knife.



*The Cold Steel SRK is currently issued to Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL students

well, i will not use it under water.
 
Preacher Man said:
If you'll need water purification, consider Micropur's Katadyn water purification tablets. They need 4 hour to work effectively, but don't leave an after taste like iodine. Also, unlike iodine, these tablets are efective against Viruses, Giardia, and Cryptosoridium.

Katadyn Tablets
Hope this helps.
Not to step on any toes, but....
Cheak out Equipped to Survive at

about half way down under Katadyn

"test results verified full virus and bacteria removal (in room temperature and in cold water) in 15 minutes and elimination of cryptosporidium and giardia in 30 minutes at room temperature. He explained that, it does take four hours for full crypto kill in cold, very dirty water."

And IIRC, Iodine does kill viruses, which is why people use it with a filter that may not remove viruses.
 
Naaah. Go find a Fallniven F1 and use it until you know precisely what you don't like about it, and can articulate you likes/dislikes inteligently. If you still NEED another knife, then go shopping, but not without holding the little beasts in you hand before you buy.
 
I agree with the previous suggestion of getting a Falkniven. It's a good blade that does a good job of blending the tactical-survival-wilderness chores. That's probably why many, if not most of the Swedish military personnel use them. I also agree that if you can, hold a knife in your hand before buying. Especially a blade with a weird looking or non existent handle. I think you will learn enough in the first few moments of holding it, whether or not you would like it during hard use.
 
TP for sure ;)
A few handy items that haven't been mentioned, or mentioned enough:
Water, a pot, gloves, a saw, and bug spray!

A suggestion, for the first couple of trips go car camping. Get to know your gear and see what you use and what you don't.
This way you can bring it all and pare down the pile for each consecutive trip.
When you get home, make 3 piles.
Emergency stuff that you'll bring each trip whether it's used or not.
Stuff you used
Stuff you didn't use.

Knives don't apply, bring as many as your porter can carry ;)
 
Welcome to the world of outdoor fun! :) I think the suggestion to stay near your car for the first couple of trips is good advice. Staying near the vehicle will allow you to have extra gear handy and give you the option of a swift exit, should the need arise.
As for specific gear, here are the essentials I always have with me:

- first aid kit. The basic contents are covered well in the posts above. You can never have too much antibiotic ointment or bandages.

- extra clothes. I pack with the current season in mind while considering the possibility of inclement weather. I always have a rain coat (mine is a thin, Gore-tex lined one) and water-resistant, nylon pants, as well as a thin thermal shirt and pants for layers (these must not be cotton). I also like to have a pair of leather or wool gloves and a wool or acrylic beanie/stocking cap, in case it becomes unexpectedly cold. Finally, and I can't emphasize enough, good footwear is essential. I prefer high leather boots and wool or wool-blend socks. Take lots of socks if you will be around water or doing any hiking.

-signaling devices. I wear a signal mirror and signal whistle on a paracord necklace around my neck. This way, if I'm ever in an emergency and can't move, I can still call for help effectively.

-shelter. For non-survival camping, I like a tent and sleeping bag with a foam sleeping mat. On day-hikes, I bring a tarp in my backpack, just in case I get caught in a downpour and need to quickly make a temporary shelter.

-food and water. If there is a water source, I'll take either a 2-micron absolute filter and use it for obtaining water or some Polar-Pur iodine drops. I've never had a problem when using either of those purification methods. For camping in North America, a 2-micron absolute filter is fine. For food, it depends on how close to the car I am. I like to take a cooler, filled with ice, when I'm near the vehicle and don't have to carry the cooler too far. Otherwise, I take non-perishable items, including lots of nuts for protein.

-tools. Ah, here's my favorite part :D I never go into the wilderness without a strong fixed-blade knife. I know that, if need be, I can use it to build a shelter, shape traps and snares, prepare food/game, and make fire. Since it's impossible to predict a disaster, it's always wise to have some emergency gear with you. A knife is a fundamental tool, useful for all sorts of tasks. In addition to a knife, I like having a multi-tool; Leatherman is my favorite maker and Victorinox is also nice, from what I've heard. I don't care for Gerber's tools. I like a small, functional knife sharpener that I can wear on my belt, along with my multi-tool and camp knife. A small field saw can save a lot of time and wear-and-tear on your knife's edge. Lastly, take a good flashlight or headlamp with a set of extra batteries.

-fire. Fire is a basic and very important part of the wilderness experience. Fire can be used for so many different purposes, both emergency and non-emergency related. Physically, fire provides heat and light, both of which are very important to humans. In a traumatic circumstance, fire will also help a preson acquire a rational mindset. You can notice then when simply sitting by a fire - it is very calming and relaxing. Imagine how important that can be if you are having to deal with being lost, being snowed in, being stuck, having to care for a wounded person until help arrives, etc!
For basic fire tools, I take a metal match: http://countycomm.com/FIRESTARTER.htm After you've practiced shooting a spark from the match, using your camp knife, you can start literally thousands of fires with this! It requires a knife/steel to strike the spark, and some tinder that can light with a spark. Examples of this would include: dry cotton balls, cotton balls smeared with vaseline/petroleum jelly (these will burn really well!), fatwood/pitchwood shavings (this is wood from any tree that contains resin, a turpentine-like substance. You locate said wood, shave it with your camp knife, strike a spark and you have fire!), magnesium shavings, and any number of pre-made fire starters available at outdoor stores.
Finally , on fires, I am not a fan or proponent of matches and lighters. Yes, they are better than nothing, but htey have some inherent limitations and weaknesses that make them undesireable for field use :eek:

One last bit of advice: make sure you know where you are going before you leave and that you leave detailed directions and an itinerary back at home with a close friend or relative, someone who will notice if you don't return on time.

I hope I haven't gone on too long; this is one of my very favorite subjects! :cool: I think I've hit on what I consider to be most important. Tools and gear are great; the skill to use them properly is much more important!

Hope you have lots of fun, stay safe, and learn a great deal about life in the wilderness!

:)
 
No, that's cool. Your post was useful.

As for multitools, im not very familiar with these.

If i had the choice between lighter and matches, i would take matches. Since it's made from wood. It's more natural. I hate lighters. but there's better method.


for lesther boots, well, my everyday boots, i have air hikers,
Dakota Mid Cut Air Bag Hikers ,
25006MD.jpg


"The same high quality construction is built into every style of Dakota boots. These working hikers are made of water resistant nubuck leather and nylon webbing uppers for comfort and durability. The EVA and 1/2 latex insole is completely removable for drying. The dual air bags with shock absorbing coils cushion impact for less foot fatigue. CSA Grade 1 steel toe and plate with an electric shock resistant outsole.
Style# 25006MD

Price: 119.99(CDN$)"

As for saw, whats best between a saw and an hatchet ( or axe )


Humm, i will add water purifier to the list of what i should need.

I was thinking of walkie talkie, like X(3-5-10) Km range, but its maybe useless if they are too expensive.

For flashlight, http://www.1sks.com/store/inova-x5mt-led-floodlight.html and 12 extra batteries would be nice.

I dont know if i should bring that much stuff for my first little trips with the wilderness. Some things are necessary , but i fear that i seem to look like "too much is never enough". :/ , well, it's maybe right, after all..
 
As for saw, whats best between a saw and an hatchet ( or axe )


Boy did you just open a kettle of fish. :D
I'll put my .02 1st. If you have the money many will tell you that a Gransfors Bruks axe is the best. So many people who's opinion I admire have said this that I would REALLY look into it, if you have the money. I don't (yet, but am still looking for a good deal on a SFA), so right now I carry a Gerber Gator Axe/knife combo in the car, and I have a Vaughn hatchet at home in the garage. I have used both camping and they have both served well, are less than $20 (USD) each, and I won't cry if something ever happens to them.
I have no idea on saw's, I usually don't need more than what I have on my SAK or Leatherman, but I am looking into a Sven Saw.
Hope this helped.
 
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