The case law on butterfly knives ( there are 5 different ones in addition to the one you mentioned) all focused on how there is an additional step needed for the blade to lock open. The opening of the knife itself has been always viewed as meeting the definition of a gravity knife, but the fact it does not lock open without additional action on the part of the user has allowed judges ( who think correctly in my opinion) to dismiss butterfly knives as not meeting the full definition.
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Can anyone recommend a carry knife for someone living in nyc
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Regarding fixed blades in NYC, this is the case that makes me uneasy . . .
"we are of the view that a modern test for a dirk is whether the instrument has a blade with at least one sharpened edge which tapers to a point and is primarily intended for use as a stabbing weapon."
Matter of Jesse QQ 243 A.D.2d 788, 789, 662 N.Y.S.2d 851, 852 (N.Y.A.D. 3 Dep't 1997)
You could argue that last point, what it's primary intended use is, but there's a subjective element in there.
"we are of the view that a modern test for a dirk is whether the instrument has a blade with at least one sharpened edge which tapers to a point and is primarily intended for use as a stabbing weapon."
Matter of Jesse QQ 243 A.D.2d 788, 789, 662 N.Y.S.2d 851, 852 (N.Y.A.D. 3 Dep't 1997)
You could argue that last point, what it's primary intended use is, but there's a subjective element in there.
Thanks Sliplock. I will look into this some more and the fact that the Appelate Division is ruling on it is of course more of a concern for its standing as case law use. Did you know the details of the case? I believe the definition of dirk possession includes intent( and intent is added by possession in some cases)...
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Hey I've got an idea, meet a whole bunch of the BFC guys at NYCKS, this Friday. We'll help you pick out a knife that will suit you, I promise.
Just bring plenty of money, because the FNG buys the first 10 rounds of beer at the bar.
Yeah, I know, "What's NYCKS?"
This... http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432747&highlight=Nycks
As soon as you walk in you should see Bob Dozier's table, behind that table you should see Nankano, he's a BFC regular and will point you too the other BFC folks. Of course if you end up buying something other than a Dozier, Nankano will know about it and have to hurt you.
Bwahahahaha
Just bring plenty of money, because the FNG buys the first 10 rounds of beer at the bar.
Yeah, I know, "What's NYCKS?"
This... http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=432747&highlight=Nycks
As soon as you walk in you should see Bob Dozier's table, behind that table you should see Nankano, he's a BFC regular and will point you too the other BFC folks. Of course if you end up buying something other than a Dozier, Nankano will know about it and have to hurt you.
Bwahahahaha
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Could I go to NYCKS, too?
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How about Manischewitz?
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what about one of those cold steel safe keeper3 ? i am carrying crkt m16-10kz it's small but locks and can be open by flick of a wrist(very hard but possible)
A SOG Flash II is a good little knife...probably not going to save your life, but it's a good all-purpose blade. For protection in NYC, a cellphone will be a lot more helpful than a knife--since the other guy will undoubtedly have something bigger or more ominous than whatever you're carrying!
On a related note: has anyone every come across a worse more dangerous knife than the CRKT "convergence" knife? It's hard to open, with a top sliding mechanism, and it's ridiculous to close--forcing you to put your thumb in the path of the closing blade! Your thumb is sitting on the handle as a 3-l/2 inch blade comes slowly toward it! A truly sadistic design!
On a related note: has anyone every come across a worse more dangerous knife than the CRKT "convergence" knife? It's hard to open, with a top sliding mechanism, and it's ridiculous to close--forcing you to put your thumb in the path of the closing blade! Your thumb is sitting on the handle as a 3-l/2 inch blade comes slowly toward it! A truly sadistic design!
I'm often in New York City and have thought about this question quite a bit.
I carry a Delica.
For New York City law purposes it has a blade well under 4 inches and because of the backlock it does not flick open. It's also utilitarian and well known enough that its carry can be easily explained under almost any normal circumstances.
And it's a great knife.
I carry a Delica.
For New York City law purposes it has a blade well under 4 inches and because of the backlock it does not flick open. It's also utilitarian and well known enough that its carry can be easily explained under almost any normal circumstances.
And it's a great knife.
rifon2 I agree that the Delica is a good choice, but be advised that any knife that can be flicked open is considered a gravity knife. This in NYC includes holding the blade and flicking the handle open. Most knives can be opened this way, and I would be very surprised that a Delica could not be flicked open. I have about 20 EDC knives that I alternate carrying. Of those 20, there are about 5 I would carry in NYC that I have adjusted to the point that they can not be flicked open any way you try ( and one that does not lock so it does not matter ).....The rest of the state does not go crazy about gravity knives and rarely pursues the law reguarding them. I have never heard of a LEo on Long Island or upstate charging someone with a gravity knife for possession of a normal lock back that they could flick open, only NYC has this mentality....
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so would the safe keeper 3 be legal to carry? under 4 inches
Yes, I know! The Delica I carry can't be flicked open.
It's my New York City knife.
I also have an Endura 3 that can't be flicked open, and sometimes
I carry that into NYC. I love the fact that the blade is 3-15/16!!!
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Questionable. Blade is single-edged & approx 2.5" long, and the width makes for an inferior stabber. However, many LEOs and judges would look at the rubber T-grip and think "push dagger." IMHO, it's a utility blade . . . this can be successfully argued if you have some sort of disability (amputation, paralysis, arthritis), or can claim that you do (Raynaud's Syndrome). If you are physically unable to open a Spyderco or balisong, a good attorney could probably get the charge tossed . . . this will not prevent arrest and initial detention.
You can BET they'll call it a push dagger...
SafeKeeper is not a good idea for NYC.
First of all, if you're a responsible person, PD will not give you grief.
If you still worry, no on the K-Bit. Good luck explaining that one to the courts.
No double edges too.
My EDC is the PMillie and Calypso Jr on rotation.
BTW: when the army navy store in SoHo got raided, Delicas, etc became gravity knives because they flicked them open somehow
If you still worry, no on the K-Bit. Good luck explaining that one to the courts.
No double edges too.
My EDC is the PMillie and Calypso Jr on rotation.
BTW: when the army navy store in SoHo got raided, Delicas, etc became gravity knives because they flicked them open somehow