Can China made produce a good blade?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Boats said:
Lol. My only agenda regarding Sal's steel tale is that 8Cr13MoV had to be coined because a supplying foundry either didn't know that what they were making was closer to AUS 6 than to 440C, or that it did know and needed to quit calling their product 440C. You gotta be able to call the blade something other than "Chinese Mystery Steel" if you want a neat and accurate blade stamp for the end user to look at, so 8Cr. . .blah, blah, blah, it is.
Click to expand...

I looked, and could not confirm that 8cr13mov was coined after this "deception". Because it's one heck of a steel for the price and the two I have blow away the performance of AUS8.

Could you verify that for us please.
 
Boris74 said:
I looked, and could not confirm that 8cr13mov was coined after this "deception". Because it's one heck of a steel for the price and the two I have blow away the performance of AUS8.

Could you verify that for us please.
Click to expand...

It is based off what I said. He likes to jump to conclusions...Can be a great talent, or a great problem.

To be clearer, I do not know if this was the event that made them coin the term. Most likely not. I should have said that on my post for clarity.

Anyhoo, I think it's at a point where both parties are just "fighting the good fight". Problem is, I keep getting thrown on a loop, I thought I was here for the topic.
 
Stays Sharp said:
We also now have a philosopher specializing in China who now thinks he's Sal's psychologist.
Click to expand...

Ha. I'm more interested in how a PRC foundry's execs don't know what the hell it was that they were making.

This isn't as hard as you are trying to make it.

Buyer: I need ground beef to make quality hamburgers at X price point, can you get me quality meat?
Seller: Sure, the best meat I can provide for your purposes at your asking price is just like USDA approved 85/15

Time passes

Buyer: I tested the meat you sent us, it is 85% ground beef and 15% unidentifiable filler.
Seller: Yes, is there some confusion? It is to an 85/15 spec in conformity with our standards.
Buyer: It's supposed to be 100% ground beef with 15% fat content. I asked for meat, not meat with mystery additives.
Seller: I guess we'd better start calling our product "100 percent mostly meat."
 
Boris74 said:
I looked, and could not confirm that 8cr13mov was coined after this "deception". Because it's one heck of a steel for the price and the two I have blow away the performance of AUS8.

Could you verify that for us please.
Click to expand...

What difference would it make? Even if it was always called 8Cr13MoV in Chinese steel industry parlance, you cannot with a straight face as a foundry executive try to pass it off as a 440C equivalent to the point where you're cool with a buyer roll marking it into early product destined for a market where "close enough" product descriptions are fraudulent.
 
Boats said:
Ha. I'm more interested in how a PRC foundry's execs don't know what the hell it was that they were making.

This isn't as hard as you are trying to make it.

Buyer: I need ground beef to make quality hamburgers at X price point, can you get me quality meat?
Seller: Sure, the best meat I can provide for your purposes at your asking price is just like USDA approved 85/15

Time passes

Buyer: I tested the meat you sent us, it is 85% ground beef and 15% unidentifiable filler.
Seller: Yes, is there some confusion? It is to an 85/15 spec in conformity with our standards.
Buyer: It's supposed to be 100% ground beef with 15% fat content. I asked for meat, not meat with mystery additives.
Seller: I guess we'd better start calling our product "100 percent mostly meat."
Click to expand...

This clearly shows that you know NOTHING on the subject. The more you talk the more cracks show up.

The makers are completely separate from the foundries. Let's start with that.

Chinese foundries or at the very least this one at the time (relatively recent) does not go by western names and does not have analogs for western steels. If I recall correctly, an unamed AMERICAN company who has been supplying this steel to US needed to come up with a name...What did they come up with? That's right440C....That is because 99% of the knife market have no clue anyway. The name stuck and the Chinese rolled with it.

I just completely schooled you AND your Sherlock Holmes stories... This was so long ago I forgot...But your babbling has began to piss me off so there you go.....Yes I'm sure youre gonna come back with you're butthurt "but...but... China sucks"...Hehe while I agree..Like I said to you PAGES ago..THIS IS NOT THE THREAD

Fail. I love it. You're done.
 
bld522 said:
I don't have a pet. Try again. And this time, think "knives" before you respond. You can do it. I know you can.
Click to expand...
Ok thnen eat nothing but food imported from China for the next 10 days. You trust them, doncha?
 
Hackenslash said:
Dude, I don't even know where to find Chinese pet food.
Click to expand...
Try Walmart. Not sure they took all Chinese brands off the shelf after the pet kill last year or then abouts.

Brasnds known to source ingredients from China:

Waggin Train (Nestle/Purina)
Canyon Creek Ranch (Nestle/Purina)
Nestle Purina
Milo's Kitchen* (prior to 4/14)Effective 4/2014, Milo's Kitchen, a product of Big Heart Pet products (formerly Del Monte) states that they no longer import and products from, including even trace ingredients
Dogswell
American Kennel Club
*Hartz
Dingos
Beefeaters
Golden Rewards
Westminster Pets (Wag-n-Tails)
Nature's Variety Instinct
Pack N Pride
Kirkland
Royal Canin
Redwood Pet
PCI Chicken Tenders and Chicken Nibbles
Dog Nip
Cadet
Meijer
Pet Botanics
DreamBones
Ranch Rewards
Good-n-tasty / Healthy-hide
Sargents
Ever Pet ($$ General)
Home Pet 360
Walgreen's brand - Simple
Walgreen's brand - Nice
Pet Shoppe
*Freebirds
TheKingdomPets.com
Sheps (Aldis)
Pork Chomps
VitaLife, Pet Authority & President's Choice
Target's Boots & Barkley
Canine Carry Outs
Smart bones
Loving Pet Gourmet Duck
Ruffin' It Healthfuls Sweet Potato Slices-Westminster
PetWestern Family brand chicken jerky ( Price Smart Foods)
Booda Bones - Aspen Pet
 
Boats said:
What difference would it make? Even if it was always called 8Cr13MoV in Chinese steel industry parlance, you cannot with a straight face as a foundry executive try to pass it off as a 440C equivalent to the point where you're cool with a buyer roll marking it into early product destined for a market where "close enough" product descriptions are fraudulent.
Click to expand...

What difference would it make? It would make the difference between posting what you feel like and posting what is verifiable information. All too often people read things and roll with it, suddenly it's fact.

Just asking the question people aren't thinking about when they read something that sounds a little off. Nothing more. If they were going to "deceive" they wouldn't have used a steel extremely suitable for the purpose.

If it was born in deception it is one heck of a deceptive steel. It's a great very affordable steel.
 
leghog said:
Try Walmart. Not sure they took all Chinese brands off the shelf after the pet kill last year or then abouts.
Click to expand...

Like I told you pages ago...A quick google search shows that US petfood recalls that have killed pets out number the mass hysteria ones from China. Lead scare, you know the drill. They just had a big one off of suppliers for Wellness etc just THIS YEAR. I know because that's what I feed. There are cheapo American brands too that will never be on my pets bowl. But its not a China thing. Friskies? heck no.

This guy ran out of ideas and is talking about petfood for crying out loud.

You guys are trying so hard. A for effort. That anti Chinese sentiment is strong :thumbup:. Wrong thread :thumbdn:.
 
Stays Sharp said:
This guy ran out of ideas and is talking about petfood for crying out loud.
Click to expand...

Well, this has been very valuable...next time I want to buy a knife, I know not to buy pet food instead. :)
Thank you internet! :thumbup:
 
Stays Sharp said:
This clearly shows that you know NOTHING on the subject. The more you talk the more cracks show up.

The makers are completely separate from the foundries. Let's start with that.

Chinese foundries or at the very least this one at the time (relatively recent) does not go by western names and does not have analogs for western steels. If I recall correctly, an unamed AMERICAN company who has been supplying this steel to US needed to come up with a name...What did they come up with? That's right440C....That is because 99% of the knife market have no clue anyway. The name stuck and the Chinese rolled with it.

I just completely schooled you AND your Sherlock Holmes stories... This was so long ago I forgot...But your babbling has began to piss me off so there you go.....Yes I'm sure youre gonna come back with you're butthurt "but...but... China sucks"...Hehe while I agree..Like I said to you PAGES ago..THIS IS NOT THE THREAD

Fail. I love it. You're done.
Click to expand...

Lol. I got schooled by something completely unsourced? That's rich. They had the internet in China in 2003-4. No one there was wholly reliant on an unnamed western company to contrast the domestic steel compositions against western data and then describe the PRC ones accurately.
 
leghog said:
News breaking in the last 24 hours re the wonderful business practices of so many Chinese companies.

U.S. developing sanctions against China over cyberthefts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2910aa-480b-11e5-8ab4-c73967a143d3_story.html

By any and all means, support the wonderful world of Chinese businesses as much and as often as possible.
Click to expand...

I seem to recall reading about shady things stateside too...should I not buy their knives?

It really isn't about the product at this point, is it?
 
Boats said:
Lol. I got schooled by something completely unsourced? That's rich. They had the internet in China in 2003-4. No one there was wholly reliant on an unnamed western company to contrast the domestic steel compositions against western data and then describe the PRC ones accurately.
Click to expand...

Classic reply. I know. That's all you have left. The fallback position. It's cool I'm past it. You are rich.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top