Can you get by with just a PSK ?

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There have been many threads regarding the venerable PSK and it's many configurations.
Has anyone actually gone out and tried "surviving" with solely the gear contained in the kit ?

EDIT: I'm referring to a mini PSK not an elaborate full blown one.
 
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Id love to do it out of mine.....I think it would be fun. Just never have.

Ive gone out very minimal before....just not that minimal.

I guess it would be good practice, but I like having my gear with me in the woods.
 
Tonym and I will be doing just that this Thurs. Wanna come?
I'm generally not a big fan of the psk, as most incarnations I fell are too focused on many specific task tools..
I like to keep my kit (psk or regular woods bumming ) down to a few items of gear which have multiple applications
 
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There was a contest on the ESEE forum a while ago doing 3 days and 2 nights with just a knife and anything you could fit in an altoids tin.
 
I have never tried to use just the stuff contained in my PSK, but have tested and practiced with all the items contained in it.

Given the chance I would love to try just that though. I think alot of people's eyes would get opened about what works and what doesn't. And also just how bad it would suck in bad weather.

The way I look at it if you don't have the skills to use what is in the kit along with found resources you are screwed anyway. No matter how much crap you have in your mini kit.
 
Could I? Yea, probably. It just wouldn't be very comfortable. After all, it is a last ditch kit to keep us alive, right? I think we should all hope it would help us to survive a few days. It may not be all of what we need, but it should be enough to keep us going.
 
Yes, I have mine set up for just that, plus the clothes on my back and
what ever I found along the way.
Even though I have items that are going to last a long time there are some items that are only for a bout 24 to 48 hours. By that time I will/hope to have found or made some of the other items I need or want.
I also have mine set up for mainly my area too.

Bryan
 
What most call a PSK I grew up calling a "ditch kit".
In canoeing circles, this is worn on your waist.
If you are separated from canoe, pack, and rest of your belongings....at least you can survive.

Mine is in a Maxpedition M2 pouch. It's always on my waist when I'm "out".
and then it's in my EDC pack every day when I'm not.

I've been fortunate to NOT be separated from my boat (yet),
but I have lived off my ditch kit before - on purpose - to make sure I could.
 
I suppose it would depend on your definition of a "mini-kit". I've based my kit on a Maxpedition 10x4 bottle carrier with a Guyot standard/GSI Glacier cup. I have a few basic items in the front pouch, water purification tabs, 6 feet of tubing for getting to water in tinajas/cracks/crevices, etc. The most important thing here in the Mohave though, is that bottle, I could do without all else. If that's not "mini" enough, then no, I don't suppose I can get by with a "mini-kit". Then again, at 132 degree summer temps, nobody else could either for very long.


Gautier
 
I see the PSK almost as a psychological aid. You realise you're in a tight spot:confused:, but before panic sets in and you do something really stupid, you remember you have that little kit which may help you:o.
At least it helps you to start thinking logically about what your best course of action may be.
Of course, I still make my kit as comprehensive as I can, because that instills me with (misplaced? :)) confidence, which in turn reduces my fear. I will also agree that skills are at least as important as that little tin.
Just my thoughts.
G
 
Hi all,
Gautier, brings up a great point about his PSK. Everybodys PSK might be just a little different. Gautier bases his off around the canteen and the pouch for carrying his canteen. Living in the place he does trying to survival/live out of a tin is probably not going to happen. Unless you were to be near a water source out in the desert. The thought of surviving out of a tin with 132 degree heat for more than 24 to 48 hours YIKES.
Gautier's PSK is the way to go for his area.

What say you all,

Bryan
 
I have a few "minimal" kits as modular parts of larger kits. I have tested the items in them over time...that's how they got there. Being as I have "survived" days, weeks...months even in inhospitable environments with even less gear I am confident the items in them would be a plus. As for intentionally testing just the small kits I'll pass until it's actually necessary.


Hi all,
Gautier, brings up a great point about his PSK. Everybodys PSK might be just a little different. Gautier bases his off around the canteen and the pouch for carrying his canteen. Living in the place he does trying to survival/live out of a tin is probably not going to happen. Unless you were to be near a water source out in the desert. The thought of surviving out of a tin with 132 degree heat for more than 24 to 48 hours YIKES.
Gautier's PSK is the way to go for his area.

What say you all,

Bryan

Minimal kits are always going to be area specific.
 
What most call a PSK I grew up calling a "ditch kit".
In canoeing circles, this is worn on your waist.
If you are separated from canoe, pack, and rest of your belongings....at least you can survive.

Mine is in a Maxpedition M2 pouch. It's always on my waist when I'm "out".
and then it's in my EDC pack every day when I'm not.

I've been fortunate to NOT be separated from my boat (yet),
but I have lived off my ditch kit before - on purpose - to make sure I could.
Any chance we can c a pic of ur set up?
Thanks
 
EDIT: I'm referring to a mini PSK not an elaborate full blown one.

So - no full sized pack full of gear that you call a PSK?

What are we talking here - anything small enough to fit in a pouch that can be worn on a belt? i.e. Gautier's PSK would qualify? I don't actually have a PSK but I'm just thinking about what I would put in one if it was like a fanny pack or whatever.

For anyone that says that they could get buy with nothing but the clothes on their back and their mini PSK - I'd love to know where and in what conditions as well as the size & contents of the mini PSK in question.
 
Ive brought this up before and I'll say it again,

Nothing in a survival situation is needed, its only wanted. You can get by with nothing just as you can get by with a lot of gear, in the end its a head game. Carrying some primary tools might make it easier to endure, but don't let a bit of gear be the thing that makes you believe you can get through something.
 
Hi all,

Gadgetaholic, You said in your post that you do not have a PSK.
I hope you do not mind if tell and show some items to put in one. This is mine as I have it now.
If you have any questions let me know I will sure try to help help you out.

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Here is my PSK all packed up.

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I have a few of theses types of little pouchs made up. As you can see there is quite a bit of gear there to give me a pretty good start to survival if need be. With knowledge and some gear you can really make a good go of it and keep the GRIM REAPER away.

Now you all said that you were thinking of sometype of fanny pack, Ok I am not a fanny pack kind of guy I really like shoulder packs. This shoulder pack that I have and carry some gear in is about what a fanny pack would hold.

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Here are the contents of it.

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As you can see it holds more gear.

Now getting back to what kuruptd said. Has any one tried to go out and survive with what is in there kit. I can say NO I have not.
I do have a Job and responsibilites.

But that does not mean that I do not Practice with what is in my PSK kit or my other kits.
If I could take off and go for a week or two or a month and just live like that. I think that would be kind of cool. When I was a kid we camped for a week or more at a time, caught fish and eat plants we made bows and arrows and hunted with them. One of my first survial books was by Larry Dean Olsen. We read and practiced from that book all the time.


I do not know you or have any idea what your skill level is. But from what you posted not having a PSK kit as of now gives me a idea. I do not mean that in a bad way So please do not take it that way. But is sounds like you are one your way to leanring and wanting to learn about this survival stuff.
Way to go man this is a great place to learn and share.

Alittle about myself, I live in the middle part of the USA In a state called Nebraska. I grew up in a rural area on a farm. I learned to hunt, fish, trap, and camp. I have been studing and pracitcing survival and bushcraft and camping skills since I was a little kid. I have camped just about every way posssible and have tried this and that. Over the years ( I am 41 this year) I have assemble some knowledge of survival and survival kits. I have camped out in winter with just the clothes on my back as if I went for a walk and got lost and had to make a camp for the night. No blankets or sleeping bags just the shoulder bag with survival goodies in it and the clothes on my back. In this pic I used a survival blanket. for my leanto type of shelter and had a fire to keep my warm. I did this survivial camp out in 2009 in Feb. Winter time here in Nebraska.

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This pic is of my camp at about 3:30 am. I had to get up and go pee and so I steped out of camp and then on the return to my shleter and my winter coat I took this pic.
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In this pic I did it a month later but instead of a space blanket I used a canvas tarp. Again pracitcing with different items.
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That night I had my cell phone with me and service and was able to call the local time and temp. When I called it was 4:30 in the morning and it was 27 degrees.
So can it be done? yes, it is like having a sleeping bag NO lol.
Over the years of praciticing I have tried different things some worked good other did not.
You might notice in my belt survival kit there at the left side and at the bottem there is a orange thing. That is a orange AMK space blanket that is instant shelter. and Water Proof not water resitent. I also carry some Tools that are for cutting a I have a pocket knife and a small fixed blade. making shavings and then using my firesteel fire is taken care of. I also have a bag and some water purifing tablets to clean up the water that I find so I can drink. That is one of the items that I said would not last long 24 to 48 hours by that time I will have burned out some wood or found a can or bottle to set next to my fire and boil water up from a stream, I have fishing gear for fishing or hunting with and some steel leaders for snares. As you can see I have a items to make a go of it if I had to. Again I said for my area, I also study edble plants and have eaten many different ones.
I was in the Marine Corps when I was younger and got to see and travel to many different places I also got practice survival skills while there to. so I am not just saying this kit is only for my area but for most of the areas of the world I have been in think this kit would work pretty good.

If you wonder if that little fixed blade works I can say it does on the wild turkey that a nephew shot.
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It cuts just fine.

Anyways Gadgetaholic, I hope this gives you some idea of what i ment when I said yes I could go out in my are and practice survival. Does having a kit mean you will live for sure? No but with some knowledge and some items it sure can make it alot easyer.

Say if money was no problem for me I would love to fly you over and show personaly what going out in my area would be like and setting up a shelter and making fire and fishing at some of the local ponds and streams that I know about. You can hardly walk 1 mile with out find a beer can or a glass bottle that could be used for boiling water and cooking in. There are more places that have old shelds and land that has no on it. Yes the land is owned by some one but many a small farm family has left or lost there farms and so there are lots of places a guy could go and pracitce survival skills.
We have one area that is about 160 acres and the only time it every get used is during the summer. We put a bout 30 head of cows and some calves on it for getting paster grass. It has a about 50 or so acres of timber and 2 springs for water and two small ponds that have more small fish and fogs in it. We deer turkey and many smaller animals. Like I said this area is not for just anyone to come on and so when hunting season starts the animals do know where to go to stay safe.
So after all this I will say again YES I think with my PSK and the clothes on my back I can make a go of it. Would I like to have my bigger pack with me Heck yes. I really like using my little hand saw and my bigger knives and my steel canteen for cooking and boiling. I would sure miss my binos I love to look through them out in nature. But with my PSK It could be done.
NOW are we talking for ever? Just going out and living like that for a year?
Probably NOT, But practicing with it my PSK is better than not.

Anyways it will be neat to see and hear what rescue riley and Tony M think.

I am looking forward to hearing about there adventure with just using there PSKs.


Take care.

Bryan
 
Any chance we can c a pic of ur set up?
Thanks

Sure, Daniel. I didn't want to jump into the thread and derail it. It looked like the mini kits were the heartbeat. Mini kits are ok...but I can't get past my desire to have a bit more stuff.

Here's the M2 and it's contents....the "necklace-o-my-junk" is wrapped in a buff and always on my neck anytime I'm out, and the M-2 is always on my waist. Between these two...I can have coffee, soup, fire, shelter, lights, etc.... There's a LOT of stuff in that M-2...I built it over the years and it's been about the same now for awhile. I just replace the coffee, soup packet, water tabs, PJ cotton balls, survival blanket, etc..if I use 'em.

The .22's are extra for the NAA Mini that's clipped to my PFD when I'm out...or also in my EDC bag daily. Primary weapon would be "on me" in a smart carry.

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These two "packages" are thrown into the EDC bag which I carry "in town", so while I don't have everything I'd like with me at all times....I at least have the basics...even if I spend all week in a suit...I know this stuff is with me with some more stuff in the bag.

BTW - this is a great thread and the pics are awesome! :)
 
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The batts are for my Surefire E1b. As you can tell, it's goes with me everywhere....everyday...period.

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and the NAA mini with the holster grip:
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Lots more stuff (all my stuff for the trip!) is in the Duluth pack in the canoe...but the idea here is "what if" I was separated from the canoe. If I'm alive...the necklace is on my neck, the waist pack is securely on my waist or sometimes I run a PFD stap thru it if it's summer and I'm in shorts and no belt.

No, I've never HAD to rely on my ditch kit...but I was raised by a family of canoe folk. It happens. Especially if one canoe's moving water a lot. I go alone preferably nowadays...so this stuff gives me comfort...as I'm the only one who's gonna be with me, so I can save my own bacon. And every item in this kit has seen use by me. Some I use everytime I'm out.

I've given SERIOUS thought to making the M2 pack into something a bit larger...say the M-5.
Why? so I can get my Izula or HEST knife into the pack...a better knife.
As the wonderful post above mine illustrates...a small fixed blade can do a lot...and I've got those in there...but I still ponder it.
The reason I don't?
The little M-2 pack is so small that I use it.
The paracord is easy to use for a belt if it's summer....and the little pack is so small I don't notice it. So I stay with it.
 
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But that does not mean that I do not Practice with what is in my PSK kit or my other kits.

Great post Bryan, I like your set-up. Understandably these type of kits have "limited" use and aren't designed
for long term sustainability but hopefully contain the essential items needed to get you by for a day or 3 :D.

The kit I carry includes:

Small tin knife
Ferro Rod
Fresnel lens
Fatwood piece
Space blanket
Water purification tabs
Zip-lock bag
Signal mirror & whistle
Cordage
Fishing hooks
Button compass

I've pretty much used every item in the kit but need to practice shelter building with the blanket.
 
The fact of the matter is 9 times out of 10 a PSK is designed to make the situation more comfortable and you can probably get away without it. Psychologically it serves to make you more confident. Unless you're hypothermic, severely injured, etc. you will most likely be fine for an overnighter, but you will be miserable. Now I'm talking about SAR finding you within 48 hours, not a a long term EOTWAWKI situation.

I haven't done it in a few years, mostly due to not having time. I used to practice (just weekend length, though, not longer) using everything from my entire military load out, to my full blown PSK in a fanny pack that I always wear up front (the idea being if I'm scouting a trail, etc. and decide to leave me pack behind, then I have enough to survive comfortably), to a mini kit, to just what I have on me (I carry a basic amount of gear on me, such as a survival keychain with lighter, ferro rod, firestarter, light, knife, whistle, and in my wallet I have innertube squares and wax paper for fire starting, a Brunton wallet survival kit and a magnifying lens), to just a single knife, to nothing but the clothes on my back.

Most of this was done in North Carolina, year around, in sweltering swamps, beautiful and isolated beaches and in ice storms in the mountains. I also did it where I lived in Japan, on beaches, in bamboo forests (the most useful material for survival in the world, but nearly useless without a knife, machete or saw, I discovered), in the mountains, etc.

The thing is on every single one of those weekend trips I was uncomfortable but I wasn't in any real danger. The larger the kit, the less uncomfortable I was. When I went out with only a Gerber EZ Out, things were considerably harder. When I went out in winter with nothing but the clothes on my back, I was miserable and didn't sleep hardly at all (that was in NC and not having a knife to cut through all the pine made it beyond difficult, and I had to bend and twist every branch, which was time consuming, sticky, tiring and tore my hands up. I ended up sleeping in a root ball cavity from a fallen tree that I filled full of pine branches and crawled into, completely miserable without a fire). I registered with park service if it was required. I chose areas that were not used much so I didn't run into others because I wanted to feel I was all alone to make it more real (and because I'm anti-social!). I always carried a first aid kit, for safety. I also set up a camp at my car and usually only hiked a few miles from it, so that I could always escape to my car for safety if something unexpected happens (my biggest concern was always hypothermia, after having experienced it a few times).

The items that quickly rose to the top of importance were what everyone here already knows (I'm a little slow and have to figure these things out for myself).

Cutting instruments are the most important item for me and even a razor blade is better than nothing, but certainly does not replace a real knife, axe, saw, etc. (without a knife shelter building quickly went from a quick and easy lean to or debris shelter to finding natural shelters and adding as much foliage as I could before calling it good enough. In places with lots of hardwoods it's easier than in places with nothing but pine).

Fire makes everything better, from psychological comfort and entertainment (Ranger TV), warmth, signalling, warding off predators and mosquitos, purifying water and cooking food. I carry a very redundant amount of firestarters (multiple ferro rods, multiple lighters, sometimes storm matches, PJCB, innertube squares, hexamine tablets, etc. depending on my plans).

A metal container is like gold out there, and even though most places I've been I could find a can or bottle I would still rather have my own (foil is a poor substitute and only works once, sometimes twice).

Sleeping in wet cold leaves is not exactly fun. Having a sleeping bag or at least a wool blanket is great, but not necessary. I hate regular mylar blankets as they tear so easily so can't be used for very long. The AMK Heatsheets blankets are by far superior.

If your hands are frozen they're useless. I always include disposable handwarmers because it's nearly impossible to accomplish anything with frozen hands, and wielding a chopper becomes incredibly dangerous. Operating a lighter or throwing a spark from a ferro rod becomes an incredibly difficult task. Tying boots, zipping up your fly, peeing, making fuzz sticks, building your fire lay and everything else becomes a chore. I usually open them and throw them in my pockets to warm my core and when my hands aren't busy doing something else they're in my pockets trying to remain useful.

Always carry a trauma kit (I'm a Wilderness EMT and was a professional mountain guide for more than a dozen years, prior SAR team leader, in addition to having been in the military for a long time. I can improvise with the best of them, but sometimes you can't if you're injured and what if you're unconscious and somebody else is working on you? Can they improvise? For me roller gauze, trauma pad, duct tape, a SWAT-T and maybe a hemostatic agent are bare minimums. I also carry ibuprofen for inflammation and Benadryl for anaphylaxis, which is potentially deadly. I would also carry aspirin if I were older).

I used to say that if you didn't test your equipment and see how many ways you can improvise with it, then it did you little good. But like I said I haven't done this in a few years, so some of my newer gear has been played with but hasn't really been tested hard.
 
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