can you hand make a knife without a forge?

Making a knife without a forge????

That's a good one.

Next thing you're going to tell me you saw pigs fly by your window!!!


;)


:p

What? You mean that's not supposed to happen? Jeez, maybe I should have my eyes checked... ;)

Seriously though, I have several friends who make really nice knives by romoving stock, but it just doesn't sound like any fun to me. Why make knives if you can't beat on hot steel?? :)
 
Allright, allright....

Fitz, my friend, you made me nearly fall off the chair laughing.


Just for the record (I'll be serious for a second, don't blink cuz it won't last long)...

Some of the best makers in the world are stock removal makers.

There are NO smiths that don't remove at least a little stock after forging to shape... even guys like Tai Goo and Tim Lively. They don't take MUCH off... but they gotta take some off.

Many of the very best bladesmiths in the world started off with stock removal.

Becoming a bladesmith requires adding an entirely new set of tools to the knife shop. And that means big $$$.

I think it's silly for people to say it's better... but it IS DIFFERENT and adds an entirely new world of possibilities.

The one thing I do think is better in a forged blade (and this is simply my opinion) is that with a damacus blade you make the pattern flow with the profile of the blade. You simply cannot do that with stock-removal... there's no arguing that one either.

While I don't think it's better. I think it is infinitely MORE FUN to heat steal up and move it with a hammer.

To most people in today's society, steel is a finite element. It comes from some far away factory, made by giant industrial tools, and will always be however it is that it came from said factory.

To be able to heat it up in a forge, and manipulate it to YOUR wants with a hammer and anvil, is both challenging and incredibly rewarding.

It's a whole new skill set... which for me, was very hard to grasp... but very much worth the effort required.

Hot work is my favorite part of the process. I can walk by the grinder and not care whether or not I turn it on.

I cannot walk by my forge running (even if it's just to heat the shop) and not want to stick some steel in there, get it hot, and hammer on it.

But yes... you can most certainly make a knife without a forge. :)
 
only thing i'd add to this topic is books. 50$ knife shop is a great book even for forgers and stock removers. the more you can read and learn the wider the picture becomes and the more you'll learn from your mistakes.

heck you might luck out and have a person in your area the can show you the
ropes.

have fun keep learning
 
Some of the best makers in the world are stock removal makers.

I'll go ahead and mention an example- Jay Fisher.


Both methods have their appealing points. It's probably easier to get started with stock removal because then you at least have something that you know is flat to start with.
 
Nick, I think that was the longest serious post I've ever seen you do without a joke or two. I hope you didn't hurt yourself ;) :p

It was very well said though. You sure do have a way with words when it comes to knives and their making...
 
Well said, Nick.

I think it can be said that, as long as there is something that one hasn't yet accomplished in knifemaking, it is only appropriate for someone to declare a certain path preferable to them, not better. It takes but a small time with any Knives Annual to realize that almost all of us have many possibilites remaining to master.

As an aside, regarding damascus patterns, some are better left stock removed than forged, true? Many don't realize that the best ladder pattern knives are frequently made entirely by stock removal after the billet is made, lest it distort the beautiful symmetry.
 
Would this also include stock removal to create a knife from a file? Nick, now there's a tutorial I'd like to see you do in your shop for us non shop owners! Take a regular old file and create a usuable bushcraft type knife for us poorer folk.
 
Would this also include stock removal to create a knife from a file? Nick, now there's a tutorial I'd like to see you do in your shop for us non shop owners! Take a regular old file and create a usuable bushcraft type knife for us poorer folk.

Here's a video in 4 parts on Youtube showing one guy making a knife from an old metalworking file.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

good stuff

(re-posted from Canadian Connection thread)

Rob!
 
Thanks Rob I'm on dialup 14kps on a laptop so it's hard to wait for video loading running W98 Thumbs DOWN V
 
Stock Removal Method: Get some knives books about it. The more you read the more you will know. :D
And there are some good people on this site with some great information to learn from. :thumbup:
As you can see by the list. Read all you can and write some of it down. Always make notes, it will help you down the road. :)
 
Fitz... I see I forgot my smilie faces on my other post... no wonder it seemed like I was being pissy! LOL :o

Tell Nanc that I really like the way she thinks!!! :D :thumbup: :cool:
 
To each their own I suppose. From what I can see both methods make exceptional knives. I think that forging allows a greater range of creativity since you are not limited by steel that has been purchased. One thing I do realize is that a knife maker that uses a forge can also do stock removal but a maker who cannot forge is only able to do stock removal. I would like to be able to do both.

Unfortunately forging can be tough in residential neighborhoods where Stock removal is not plus you need more equipment to forge.

Please don't kill me guys, I am basing this on long hours of reading and by no means any real experiance. This is just my take on what I have read.
 
Fitz... I see I forgot my smilie faces on my other post... no wonder it seemed like I was being pissy! LOL :o

Tell Nanc that I really like the way she thinks!!! :D :thumbup: :cool:

Nah, I didn't take you as pissy at all. Actually, Nick, I should have separated my post into two. The first line was to say I agreed with you (mostly:)). I've forged blades for quite awhile and made enough damascus. I see it as a wonderful skill in a larger skillset, and it expands capabilites. Always a good thing. But just one thing.

The second part was actually separate, a commentary in general about tolerance, acceptance of how others do things, and humility. I know for certain you are not part of the problem.

Have a good day, my friend. :)
 
Haven't heard from Tanto Dude since the first post. I presume that you got the idea that knives can be completed in a variety of ways - and that there is much good natured banter about the relative merits of each.

Have you decided to try?

Rob!
 
Some of the finest and most desired knives made are done by makers who do not forge steel. Some of the finest and most desired knives made are done by makers who do forge steel.
Some of the makers have beautifully stocked shops filled with tools that some can only dream of having. Some make fine and highly desired knives with no more tools than some files and abrasive paper. Part of the neat thing about this wonderful craft ("addiction without any known cure" as Bruce Evans said very accurately) is being able to make knives in the manner that you can, and still be able to appreciate others' skills and "finished products", and to never stop learning......
Just have fun!
 
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