Can you use a kiln for heat treating?

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I have a homemade 2 brick forge I've been using for heat treating. I have a friend who asked me if I'd like a Paragon A88 Electric Kiln they don't want anymore. They said it goes up to 2400F and has a controller on it, she said she'd give it to me if picked it up and moved it from her garage. What I was worried about is it's rather large, so would it work to heat treat the blade or is all the extra space going to cause issues? I don't think it would but I thought I had better ask as I don't see a lot of people using full sized kilns.
 
It should work fine, if it holds an accurate temp.
I have a huge vertical kiln that I use for heat treating some of my full tang axes and tomahawks.

The problem is heating up that huge volume for a small knife. You could probably sell it and buy a small horizontal kiln instead, if you want it for smaller knives.
Also reaching into a vertical kiln to retrieve a blade can set your arm on fire....don't ask how I know.
 
It should work fine, if it holds an accurate temp.
I have a huge vertical kiln that I use for heat treating some of my full tang axes and tomahawks.

The problem is heating up that huge volume for a small knife. You could probably sell it and buy a small horizontal kiln instead, if you want it for smaller knives.
Also reaching into a vertical kiln to retrieve a blade can set your arm on fire....don't ask how I know.

I'd eventually like to make tomahawks and the like. Interesting on setting your arm or fire from reaching in. Could you stack from firebricks in there to put the knife closer to the top?
 
"CAN you do it" and "Should you do it" are two different questions.

Normally kilns aren't good HT ovens because of size and door configuration. Then heat up and ramp times can be much slower than knife kilns. IIRC, that kiln is the size in width and depth ( around 16-18"). It would work for knives up to 10-12" max.

You have to cut a round hole in the top and place firebricks over it. Suspend blades from the top on 1/8" stainless wire/rod. The hooks need to hang about 3" below the top, and the blades should be several inches above the floor.. I have helped a friend modify his kiln, and we made the hook like this:
We cut a round 3" hole in the top with a hole saw.
We bent the end of a 24" piece of 1/8" stainless rod in a 1" "U"/hook. We then bent the rod 5" up from the hook at 90 degrees. We left the rest of rod extending past the edge and put a 6" wooden handle on it. In use the blade was hung from the hook and the rod was laid across the top with the handle sticking out and the knife in the kiln. We put a 6" square of Ins-wool over the hole and some soft firebricks over the wool. When putting the blade in or taking it out, you never get near the hot hole. You can easily quench the blade while still hanging on the rod. We only did carbon blades. I would think stainless would require making some sort of "packet holder' to hang on the hook.
You can hang several blades in at a time.




What that kiln will make is a superb low temp salt pot. Make a 24" tall salt tube from 1/4" thick stainless steel and stick it through a hole in the top. Seal up the joint with satanite. Don't skimp on the tube material and weld. You can purchase the tube from HTT&R. Fill with low temp salts up to the level of the inside top of the kiln and set the controller to 400F. Quench blades in the molten salt and they can sit as long as needed while you remove and straighten them one at a time. Once all are straight and the blade has had a few minutes in the salt to equalize, it can be hung in the air to cool slowly to room temp, or allowed to cool to 200 and water quenched. Then the same salt pot can be used to temper the blade in.
You can also heat-blue steel fittings and blades nin it. Filled with niter salts it will get a rich deep blue color.
Keep tightly capped with a tight sealing rubber top when not in use.
 
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