Canada and Quebec

This has very little to do with linguistic or cultural differences. Those would be amenable to discussion, compromise, and practical solutions by the people involved.

I think TomFetter's post #7 and Rod Leask's post #15 pretty much cover the question.

The politicians responsible are using the linguistic and cultural differences to pressure the central government to continually pander to them for fear of worse dissension.

The increasingly evident truth is, there is diminishing interest in an independent Quebec. Once this becomes accepted, the opportunities for blackmail will end, and the linguistic and cultural diversity can become an asset for the country as a whole, instead of a point of contention.
 
I arrived in Montreal just in time for the '79-'80 referendum. The Seperatists cut services (including full-time electricity) to Anglo neigborhoods. They formed paramilitaries and worked the streets in conjunction with the local police in an effort to drive away Anglos in time for the vote. There at least was a strong political will behind seperatism, but it only survives today because it gets votes in rural Quebec, where hardly anyone has had to survive the disasters it causes.
 
This thread has reminded me of California. The Bay area had a earthquake and the state sales tax was raised to pay for it. Sometime after it had been 'paid', San Francisco and area passed a non binding resolution to succeed from Southern California, and dirty LA. Except the North of California basicially said, "not so fast", not wanting to be included with San Francisco in any split, offering the suggestion they succeed from both areas.

That's kind of what I think of, people who should be working together but don't know it yet.


munk
 
Interesting. From Captain's Quarters: (my emphasis)

Canada's Liberal Party has chosen its new leader almost a year after its electoral debacle that saw its majority disappear from the Adscam scandal. Instead of selecting front-running moderate Michael Ignatieff, Liberals chose the more liberal Stephane Dion to lead them into the next elections:

Stephane Dion has won the Liberal leadership in an upset win over Michael Ignatieff, who had been the front runner coming into this convention.

The final battle between the two former professors was not decided until the fourth ballot.

Mr. Dion had surged into the lead on the third ballot and went on from there, winning a clear majority of 54.7 per cent of the final vote.

Mr. Dion was the only candidate from Quebec. He now becomes the third party leader in a row from the province.​
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Grob said:
It really isnt as clear cut as Quebec wants to seperate canada wants to keep it. The last two referendum (or di I really dont know), quebecers have chosen to stay, albeit by a narrow margin. There are also lots of canadians outside of quebec who really dont care if they go. Personaly I think everyone would be worse off if they seperated. Quebec is hardly economicaly viable on its own, and where would the canadain hockey team get its goalies. Quebec would also then face seperatist movements from the largly native north west area, I may be wrong but during the last referendum threats were made to that effect. Joking aside though, its a little outdated to assume that every nation needs its own state, that brand of radical nationalism generaly only leads to harm. I do believe in self determination however, so if quebec votes to leave that is their perogative.
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If they want to leave Canada, then by all means let them pack their bags and swim back to France along with their load of socialist bull. As far as I know Canada allows its citizens to leave as they please.

n2s
 
Well this is gonna be my first post... What a way to start this up :D

As a French Quebecer or Canadian wich ever satisfy your taste, i'm first of all a French speaking Canadian and here my two cents on this.

Coming from french speaking household, i've been brought up with all the separatist stuff you could think of. My dad was press relation for Rene Levesque :)
From my knowledge and understanding of this, most of the Quebecers wich want to separate are looking at only one side of the medal. Wich could resume in "screw the English we want to be a Nation" ;) Most of this hard @ss separation just come in the fact that we differ in way to do things and probably express them in the same process.
I personnally don't believe that Quebec would be able to sustain the strain of being our own country for the moment.

I really think it's more a matter of discerning that we are to very different culture living in the same country, one being Bristish and english speaking and the other part being French and speaking french. Both culture have really different roots and fundamentally different people. In any case i believe that Canada should have Quebec as an integral part of it. Just be respectful to others people beliefs and don't try to stick them with something they just don't wanna be part in. And i believe this principle could apply to any country in the world.

That was my two cents :)
Feel free to flame me if needed :cool:
Olivier
 
i couldn't imagine a Canada without Quebec.

I try to speak French when I visit Montreal, and I think they appreciate my broken attempts (I proudly took French till the end of highschool). You can however, easily live in Montreal and never speak a word of French. Montrealer's are far more friendlier than Torontonians.

Outside Montreal, French dominates utterly.

You can make any issue as complicated or intense as you want. Argue, scream, bear arms, commit attrocities. The masses tend to polarize issues just for the sake of polarizing issues.

Eventually, new patterns of thinking replace the old set in your way thinking.

Pick out all the moments of history where all those unfathomable, so called evil points of change occurred.
 
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