Canadian and Mexico Steel Tariffs

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News came out today that Canadian and Mexico will have a 25% tariff on steel, and 10% on aluminum.

My understanding is that the cost of raw steel for knife making is going to go up by 25%? Is this correct? Or is there more to it that I just dont understand?

What are all my Canadian brothers going to do?
 
At least for the homegamer & one or two man knifemaker shops I dont see it a problem.
Even if steel price doubled, thats a fraction of final pricetag on the finished knife.
 
Is this a cost increase going into Canada and Mexico or coming from them to the USA?
 
Well I believe we just had a 25% bump in the US. I don’t understand the 25% that seams like a lot
 
Funny they chose those countries, since the biggest steel company in the world today is based in Luxembourg, but owned/run by an Indian gazillionaire who lives in London and they own the former Bethlehem Steel and Republic plants in the US among others.
 
seems more likely that the U.S. President would impose tarrifs on Imports....not exports.....
that would be up to the receiving countries....
 
The us imposed a tariff on steel coming into the states based on national security concens in hopes to increase local markets and stop Chinese steel from entering the states. In retaliation canada will be imposing tariffs of their own starting in July on things including rolled steel. The European Union will also likely be imposing tariffs. Regardless what side of the fence you sit on, the trade war has started and prices will be going up on everything.
 
The tariff, or rumors thereof, has already caused a price increase on bulk stainless, both foreign and domestic. Direct quote from my stainless supplier, April 19:

"Pricing did go way up because of the tariff. 25% on imports. Domestic mills raised their pricing because they can. We raised as well to protect ourselves especially since we work off replacement cost."

My tool steel supplier, in contrast, has yet to raise prices on the Austrian S7 I've been buying.
 
Is this a cost increase going into Canada and Mexico or coming from them to the USA?
It will be more expensive in both Canada and the USA. The steel/aluminum going to the USA from Canada will have big tariff (taxes) put on at border, which will cost the Customer from the USA that is buying Canadian steel approx 25% more. This is in attempt to keep the US people buying US made steel. Ive read that the US doesn't have enough steel/aluminum mills to keep up with demand. Supply/demand equal higher prices. The steel mills in Canada will have to ramp down until we find new customers to buy our steel/aluminum. Not sure how this is going to play out but time will tell.
Jim
 
Steel prices have been rising steadily since January, because demand has been rising. While I'm generally opposed to tariffs in principle, I can see some reasoning behind these. Canada and Mexico are beneficiaries of the NAFTA agreement, meaning imports from them are less expensive than from elsewhere. China, in an attempt to circumvent their own trade agreements has for years sent product to Canada or Mexico, where it is rebranded before being imported into the US. One reason for the tariff is to curb that behavior.

The other reason, and the reason it's now being applied to other countries, is because of the massive tariff imbalance that has been in place for a number of years. In general, for nearly all product groups, EU tariffs on US imports have been much higher than US tariffs on EU exports. Because it was the status quo, even if imbalanced, changing that will of course have some effect on current market conditions.

What it amounts to is the US tends to be a net importer, while other countries tend to be net exporters and rely on the US market. Why we've accepted that for so long is an ideological discussion that in my opinion is the root cause of a number of our current headaches in manufacturing.

In the short term, prices will go up. If tariffs are a strategy to encourage our trade partners to enter new and more beneficially mutual trade agreements, then they may not become the status quo. If they are a strategy to increase US production and jobs, they may become the new status quo and the market will adjust to those conditions. Overall I hope intently that it's the former and not the latter, as don't believe that protectionism is a viable long term economic strategy - See Germany's current woes. They've had 30 years of seemingly excellent economic performance by first becoming protectionist, but eventually have had to trick all of Europe into the EU debacle to keep their exports up and now that house of cards is looking quite rickety.

I also don't understand the protectionist view that cheap commodities from other countries hurts America. If China was trying to sneak in Chinese gold at a 50% discount to American gold, would we put a tariff on it or buy every ounce they would give us? How is steel or aluminum different?

Finally, I think it's a mistake for the EU, or any nation, to look at these tariffs and say, "Ok, trade war is on, here's our tariffs." They will lose. Ask the Saudis how that worked out for them. They inflated the price of oil until it became an opportunity for North American companies to find a way to replace Saudi oil. Once they did, it was expensive to produce, but prices were high so it was profitable. So the Saudis went the other direction and collapsed the price hoping to starve those NA companies. Some rolled up, some mothballed, and others kept innovating until their price lowered, while the entire Saudi nation felt the crunch of reduced revenue. When they relented and the price climbed again, NA production ramped right along side of it. They killed their golden goose, and it will never come back.

A trade war will effect everyone involved negatively initially. Prices will rise. Demand will increase. Shortages will occur. And then? What next? Wages will go up for the first time in 25 years. Americans will realize that the "service economy" was a lie. And they will flock to high tech manufacturing jobs, and American industry will do what it always does absent of political handcuffing.

I guess just be happy that steel cost is 5 to 15% of knifemaking costs and not 35 to 45% like some industries. The short term is going to suck for us.
 
Coming from WA growing up we had lots of aluminum smelters. It was always my understanding that the reason for closing them was do to the cost of power. In the late 90s early 2000s ish (I can't remember) California started having rolling blackouts with a heatwave and the company's realized that the power was worth more sold to California than turned into aluminum . Maybe there is more to that but it seems like cheeper power would be the big deal.
 
Aluminum production is incredibly intensive on electricity consumption.
 
Maybe America will see smelters again powered by huge buildings filled with Nordberg Radial Engines...
The good ’ol days.
 
ESR remelt sucks down the amps also Carpenter steel in reading PA uses more then 3 mill$ a month in elec. and the town has been known to ask them to cut back on use some days to limit brown outs. the plant tour is amazing as was when i got to see letrobe. these days i nearly never use non US steel
 
It doesn't matter. Nobody's going to shell out their hard-earned money for one of my blades, anyway! ;)
 
A fair bit of "foreign" steel is made in the US. Arcelor Mittal owns a fair bit of property in the US including the largest blast furnace in the US.
 
I do think the US missed the mark on this though. If they wanted to hurt canada they should have put a tariff on Justin Bieber making him stay in canada. That would suck for all Canadians.

You are evil.......
 
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