Canoing trip pictures

Bigfattyt

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I posted these pics in another thread, but figured I would start a thread of my own, just to share.

These pics were taken on the upper Winchester, in central Washington. The upper stretch is a nice overnight paddle, if you leave in the afternoon, and spend some time playing in the water, or fishing.


We stopped for the night, and my first cast caught this guy. One of the boys cleaned and cooked this catfish (even though we had already had dinner about an hour earlier).

I am not wearing the jacket because it was cool. It was hot, but the mosquitoes were so stinking bad! I had repellent on that did not work at all. Then I put on some 100% deet repellent! Still, they followed me around and I got plenty of bites.

There were 10 scouts and two leaders (though technically two of the "boys" were 18+ so they counted as leaders/adults.



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Scouts ranged from 12 years old on up.

Not me, but the yellow canoe is mine.
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Here is a favorite spot to stop on the 2nd day. The current takes a lazy turn, and the bottom is soft and sandy.

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Here is one of the reasons we stopped here.

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Here is the pull out spot. At this point, the current becomes much swifter, and the overhanging russian olive get worse. A little further down stream is where the water fall is. I found out another group of scouts actually tried to go over the waterfall. They saved the two boys in the canoe, but the canoe was pinned, and even with 6 guys on the rope, they could not budge it. They had to leave it, and call it a loss.

When I was a kid, 20+ years ago, we took the lower stretch by accident. The trip ended badly, but luckily no one was hurt. Took a search plane to find the canoes again, because we had to leave them and hike out.

The leaders took us on the wrong waterway entirely, and then tried to tell us to go over a waterfall (after I kept telling them we were on the wrong waterway). That waterfall kills hunters and fishers every year. I got out and scouted it, and prevented the other scouts from going over, once I saw how big it was.

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I did not take as many pictures this year (the phone camera is handy, but is more expensive than my normal camera, but I kept it double wrapped most of the trip).


Here are some pics from last years trip as well. (you can see more of the russian olive that make the turns a bit more interesting. If you don't pick a good line, or loose your forward momentum, you get the dreaded "Duck, Scrape and Poke")

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This was a particularly tricky stretch (trick for this little waterway, but nothing scary on this whole trip, especially compared to a canoe on a class III in bad weather at flood stage). The waterway took a funny dogleg, but most of the water pushed through the trees, where a canoe could not get through. The boys had to make a 120 degree turn, with the water pushing them sideways into trees, and move against the current and trough a gap no wider than the canoe (dead tree just below the surface).

My self, and one of the boys dads sat and watched the group go through shouting directions. (I am a scout leader with the 12 year olds, although I am supposed to be in charge of the 14 year olds, but most have aged up to the older group). Some of the kids were stuck and had to work at it for 15+ minutes.

For some reason, he and I threaded the needle with no issues (might have had something to do with sitting watching all the boys go through and coming up with a strategy.

Or it might have been the fact that there were two grown men paddling hard!

little Gap to the right with the trees in the water is where we had to go. The bulk of the water just pushed straight through the stand of trees on the left.

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One of the reasons it is a great paddle, is that it really teaches the new kids how to turn a canoe! They end up sideways, and backwards lots, but it is pretty low risk in most spots.







Feel free to share any other pics you have of canoeing, kayaking
 
Here are some pictures from the lake with my family.

Fishing with my older boy, he just turned seven.

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Earlier in the season, when it was still cold!

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Timed the paddle to get back right at dusk! My lovely wife of 11 years!
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Thanks Codger. The two day trip on the Mowhak canoe was an eye opener on how it would perform.

It did well with my weight and another guy in the front seat who was about 200lb. We had our gear in it as well.

For how the canoe handles, it felt faster than the pointier canoes, with the same weight in it (I used one of the other canoe's last year, and it really felt like it was wallowing).

The Mowhak has 3 inches of rocker front and back, and is a shallow arch bottom. It does not feel as rock solid as the flat bottom canoes that the kids were in.

A few times we got some weird feed back where we almost went over (it felt like it was for no reason). It seemed to happen when we made a higher speed turn, and stalled out, or lost our forward momentum. The canoe seemed to pull a pretty good wake when we were paddling fast, and when we leaned a bit into a turn, it would snap around, and it felt like the water we were dragging would give a push at the tail?

I have never used a leaning turn before in a canoe. I saw some instructional video's about it, and started trying it on the lake. It seemed to make a big difference in the speed of the turn and the ability to carve a turn.

I feel like the three times we almost went over, I was saved by keeping a paddle in the water pulling.

Often, the canoe felt very stable, and occasionally, not as much.

I feel like if you were kneeling in the canoe it would be much more so.

I took the seats, and lowered them about 2 inches with the lowering kits I got with the canoe. That made a difference, but the canoe just feels more "lively" and takes more initial control than a flat bottomed canoe does.



I have dumped the canoe once. On the lake, with waves and about a 20 mph cross wind. We turned, lost all our momentum, and were hit by the cross wind, and wave at the same time that both of us took the paddles out of the water at the same time. It was myself, another adult, and my 6 year old. The water was cold, and we had to push the canoe to the side to dump it out, then paddle about 15 minutes back to the dock, into the cross wind. My (now 7) year old does not want to go again!
 
There is definately a learning curve with every canoe. Changing even one aspect of the hull changes it's behavior on the water. But as Kent (Mewolf) has said here, rare is a canoe that turns itself over when a human isn't involved. One would think that a relative barge like the old Coleman RamX-17 could not be flipped. One of my canoing buddies way back when did just that. My bowman decided to stand up and pee over the side instead of getting out on the bank.

On my previous canoe, Opal, I drew the gunnels in at the center thwart by two inches. You would not believe how much that changed her behavior. Dropping the seats helped too. But still, in waves or technical water, I go to my knee pads to get even lower and gain more control. If you set the seat too low, you can't get your feet under there to kneel.

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It looks like you had a great time and so did the Scouts. I started my own kids in canoes at age 4. In warm weather of course (and they had been swimming since they were babes). And each, when they complained of tired or hot, got thrown out of the boat and tossed a painter line for a tow. Having grown up in a canoe, they became self confident in one and we had very few "I don't wanna" moments. The last one with my son was when he was 14. "Dad! You're gonna kill us!". We were performing rescues on a river in slight flood. Neophytes were tumping all around us and the water was chilly. We did four rescues and never got wet, but we did save some people from hypothermia. He is in his thirties now. And my daughter just turned 21. She wants one of my canoes for her birthday. And she wants me to take her back to some Arkansas whitewater so she can go over the falls again.
 
There is definately a learning curve with every canoe. Changing even one aspect of the hull changes it's behavior on the water. But as Kent (Mewolf) has said here, rare is a canoe that turns itself over when a human isn't involved. One would think that a relative barge like the old Coleman RamX-17 could not be flipped. One of my canoing buddies way back when did just that. My bowman decided to stand up and pee over the side instead of getting out on the bank.

On my previous canoe, Opal, I drew the gunnels in at the center thwart by two inches. You would not believe how much that changed her behavior. Dropping the seats helped too. But still, in waves or technical water, I go to my knee pads to get even lower and gain more control. If you set the seat too low, you can't get your feet under there to kneel.

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It looks like you had a great time and so did the Scouts. I started my own kids in canoes at age 4. In warm weather of course (and they had been swimming since they were babes). And each, when they complained of tired or hot, got thrown out of the boat and tossed a painter line for a tow. Having grown up in a canoe, they became self confident in one and we had very few "I don't wanna" moments. The last one with my son was when he was 14. "Dad! You're gonna kill us!". We were performing rescues on a river in slight flood. Neophytes were tumping all around us and the water was chilly. We did four rescues and never got wet, but we did save some people from hypothermia. He is in his thirties now. And my daughter just turned 21. She wants one of my canoes for her birthday. And she wants me to take her back to some Arkansas whitewater so she can go over the falls again.

HA,

my 7 year old was screaming "were gonna die" when we capsized.

We were trying to rescue a canoe with three young people in it. The wind had blown them way down the lake. We got them to shore, 2 times, and they would not listen to us and stay there!!!!! I was so ticked! I should have left my son on the dock, and gotten one of the experienced paddlers in the front.
 
This guy constantly tests the stability of my Old Town. He only weighs 45#, but hang a bit of that over the side (particularly in a fairly unloaded canoe) and you can imagine the rocking.
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Add a four year old doing the same thing and it gets interesting!
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On this particular river (the Tennessee Buffalo, all class I), it isn't life or gear threatening. Most places where an upset is likely to occur are shallow rocky shoals where you can just step out to set things right. The pools are long, deep and calm, and so far I haven't even gotten wet except for stopping to swim or from Jake reboarding with a generous shake. I would not have thought he could climb back in in deeper water without help, but he does.

That is a fine looking canoe crew you have there. I miss having a wife and kids that age to have fun with. And you have a very capable canoe as well.
 
Great photos. Our scout troop used to canoe the Buffalo and camp at Grimes Canoe Base every year when my son and I were active. Great memories.
 
I was going to the Buffalo today but the USGS guage is reading 2.48 feet. That translates to 175 cubic feet of flow per second, way too low to float unless you want to get out at every small shoal and drag down to the next pool. It was at 400 c.f.s. my last trip. At this level, the pools will be basically stagnant. I may take Jake anyway just to let him swim and cool off.
 
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