Carbon blade slip joint???

mbjannusch said:
I was alwasy under the impression that steels such as ATS34 were mostly used in presentation knives, something to put in a display but not to use. I have never seen ATS34 used in anything else. Not to say it hasen't...

I'd like to see a carbon fiber handled 301/303 with a 13c26 blades, now thats a knife. The only knife I EDC that isnt a buck is a carbon fiber Spyderco and I love it to the point I feel like I am cheating on Buck...
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One good thing about living in this day and age is there's many excellent knife makers and knives of all types.I own mostly Bucks but I have some other brands that I like too.LOL,variety is the spice of life.That's why I want a darn Buck carbon slippy so bad!:eek::)
 
I would buy the entire 300 family once over if they made them in carbon steel. Same goes for a more "super" steel. They already work with stuff like CPM 154, D2, etc. Why not?

While we are at it, I would like to see full flat grinds and long pulls like older buck 300's too.
 
ATS-34 used to be "the" steel and had an enormous following among the various makers and manufacturers. Seeing as how its virtues lay more in the edge holding realm than in being as stain resistant as other stainless steels, it actually isn't a likely candidate for pure show knives, as there are steels which are far easier to work with and still stay gloriously shiny in just about any environment. Actually, Buck is somewhat unique in the amount of performance it pulls out of 420 stainless, as THAT tends to be a steel very popular with purely decorative knives. Granted, they use 420HC rather than 420J2.

Canal Street Cutlery is putting out some very nice slip joint patterns in D2, which is just about my favorite blade steel for a small knife. I'd happily dish out a hundred and a half for a D2 Colt or Pony from Buck. The Colt is my favorite stockman pattern from any maker, ever. The market for higher-end knives is much, much larger than it used to be. Buck should never abandon their highly affordable main line, but a limited production higher performance version of some old favorites would find buyers. At equivalent edge holding, I'd let my Canal Street get some drawer time and put a Buck back in my pocket in a heartbeat.
 
If some of you guys haven't done so, you need to read a current thread on this forum about steels.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...o-wonder-about-the-difference-in-blade-steels

I will go with the flow some here, I would like a two blade 301 and 303. To make some of you happy a 1095 main clip blade and premium stainless 'WARCLIFF' on the other end. In a nice jigged brown bone.

If you feel strongly about it, I am sure Leroy at Triple R Knives or Eric at ArkansawKnives will make you a custom 1095 Buck stockman.

300Bucks
 
Some great input from you guys,hopefully some folks from the traditional forum will weigh in also.There's some real knowledgeable members that frequent that forum as well.
 
t1mpani said:
ATS-34 used to be "the" steel and had an enormous following among the various makers and manufacturers. Seeing as how its virtues lay more in the edge holding realm than in being as stain resistant as other stainless steels, it actually isn't a likely candidate for pure show knives, as there are steels which are far easier to work with and still stay gloriously shiny in just about any environment. Actually, Buck is somewhat unique in the amount of performance it pulls out of 420 stainless, as THAT tends to be a steel very popular with purely decorative knives. Granted, they use 420HC rather than 420J2.
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Bucks ATS-34/154CM is still some of my favorite steel! Its great in the Buck/Strider lineup, all the alphas, sirus, Tempest.... etc. It was their premium steel before S30V.
I still try to score ATS knives when I can ;)

As far as a carbon steel slippy??? I have always had good luck with D2, thats about as far as I would go. I have to be honest, my slippies don't get the best care. I doubt I would have a carbon slippy last me very long. :o Sorry guys.
 
skyhorse said:
Some great input from you guys,hopefully some folks from the traditional forum will weigh in also.There's some real knowledgeable members that frequent that forum as well.
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Some of us are already here. :)

It's funny....I've been drawn back to Buck slip joints recently. I've always been a fan of Buck's treatment of 420HC. It performs...sharpens easily..what's not to like? If Buck made some slip joints with carbon steel blades I'd certainly buy them. I would prefer natural handle material though....carbon steel blades on a knife with jigged or smooth bone handles....just seems right. :p
 
postfallsidaho said:
As far as a carbon steel slippy??? I have always had good luck with D2, thats about as far as I would go. I have to be honest, my slippies don't get the best care. I doubt I would have a carbon slippy last me very long. :o Sorry guys.
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I have carbon steel leaf springs that have been holding up the back of my '85 truck since...1985. They are uncoated, constantly exposed to the elements, and continually are made to flex under hundreds or thousands of pounds of pressure--and don't seem to be wasting away. I also have carbon steel pocketknives from my great-grandfather, who lived in an era FAR before basic tools like knives were things to be collected and fawned/fussed over; and I can promise you he didn't disassemble them every two weeks and coat them with silicon. ;) If you don't WANT carbon, that's all well and good, but the "it won't last" stuff doesn't fly. :D
 
LOL, I gotta talk myself out of it somehow ;)

My last 301 I used for fishing- the blades rusted in the joints. She didnt open too great after that. A carbon bladed slippie, I will stay away from ;)

Now ATS-34 thats another story..... :D
 
I'm not sure ATS-34 has even as good a corrosion resistance as the 425m that was in that 301 of yours. Going to a higher grit finishing the steel would help correct the problem as much as anything. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn my nose up at an ATS-34 301. ;)
 
Regarding ATS-34, it has become one of my favorites. Ditto for 154CM (same exact recipe, under a different name). I used to be somewhat ambivalent about it, as I had some trouble (for a while) putting a decent edge on it. But, I figured that out, and it has consistently amazed me in it's ability to take a very fine and durable edge, even on very thin grinds (all of the best examples I've seen, have been blades with high hollow grinds). EDIT: And, it does take a very high polish, easily. That may influence why it's (perceived to be) seen on a lot of 'show' knives. Very sharp, and shiny too.

I wouldn't mind seeing a carbon-bladed slipjoint from Buck. I already have one (a 307) with carbon springs, but stainless blades. The springs take a very dark patina, almost black, with no hint of rust. Seems like carbon steel blades would complete the picture nicely. ;)

The closest thing I have to a carbon-bladed Buck, is a stag-handled, finger-grooved 110 w/damascus blade. It has a nice patina too.
 
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Actually, stainless springs with carbon blades would be okay...let your fingers sit on finger-proof steel, and have the carbon performance out where the cutting is.
 
Roger that---it's settled then. ;)

....so long as I get a 703 immediately afterwards.
 
The 420HC Buck uses in it's slip joints is fantastic and the best of all worlds but it would be fun to have a model with an old time carbon blade.
 
I'm going to keep beating my drum about this, but as much as I'd love to see Buck using different steels in their slippies, the first thing I'd love to see them do is flat grind their blades again. I like my 301, but I can help but think its cutting performance would improve greatly if it was flat ground rather than saber ground.

Anyways, to stay on topic, I'd love to see them use the 13c26 in their slippies. It's already in use with some of their other knives, so it's not like they would have to source another material. Also, I've been impressed with 13c26 as presented by Kershaw, and I'm sure Buck treats it right as well.
 
StuntDouble said:
I'm going to keep beating my drum about this, but as much as I'd love to see Buck using different steels in their slippies, the first thing I'd love to see them do is flat grind their blades again. I like my 301, but I can help but think its cutting performance would improve greatly if it was flat ground rather than saber ground.
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I like the look of the newer 300 series knives generally. And three backsprings is a plus, on the newer stockman models. But the sabre grind is the one thing I wish they'd stayed away from. It does simplify sharpening (thinner near the edge, requiring less metal removal when re-bevelling), so I can see why that'd appeal to some. But I've been spoiled with the flat grind on my older 307. Wish they still made 'em like that.
 
I have an old Schrade made 301---What blade steel is in that knife? 300 are you out there, or anyone else that knows for sure?
Harold
 
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