Carbon steel reps.

williamsld8

williamsld8

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so after looking through various maufacturers website, it seems that when it comes to folders, most companies produce a scarce number of carbon steel folders, or non at all. Buck and Case only use SS now ( I think ) and Kershaw uses mainly their Sandvik (which is wicked sharp out of the box, got bit by my last one), and so on and so on. And it seems like fixed blades are pretty common in carbon steel, but other than a couple of D2's from this company or that, who arent even available other than online, im kinda lost in the woods. so to those of you more knowledgeable, what companies are well known for their carbon steel folders? and that means slippies or locking.
 
case has some in chrome vanadium or 1095 crovan. boker has some models in carbon steel. queen has some in their city line. eye brand has some. most of the companies who do allot of tradionals have a small or limited selection in carbon but they are out there.
 
Case's knives marketed as CV are 1095 crovan? I thought the content was high enough in them they were considered a stainless steel, more so than D2.

But very well thats good news to me. and i expected to hear about the slippies. any modern ones come to mind? or is it slim pickin's in that department?

I like 1095 Crovan
 
well i am no expert, so realize i will make mistakes...but yes my understanding is the case "cv" is 1095 crovan.

not that i know of. modern one hand opener locking, etc. style folder production makers and buyers of said knives seem to like stainless and tool steels. i can't say i've seen a modern style made today with good old 1095 or 1095 crovan. not saying there isn't one out there, but none that i can think of. if you find one, please let me know as i always had a thing for carbon steels. i prefer them over most stainless, even the exotic stainless steels.
 
Take a look at Moore Maker as well. Most of their knives are 1095 carbon steel as are the knives from GEC that I mentioned above.

Case's CV is very good stuff by the way.
 
Take a look at the moore Maker Roper.

Also a number of the older , yet non-traditional folders come in carbon steel, like the Mercator K55K. It is easy to fix these for one handed opening and pocket carry. After that, it's customs.
 
jbmonkey said:
well i am no expert, so realize i will make mistakes...but yes my understanding is the case "cv" is 1095 crovan..
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Your understanding is incorrect.
CV is not 1095 Cro Van. It is 1085 with some Chromium and Vanadium added.

It's good steel, but it's not any variant of 1095. And it does not hold an edge near as well as 1095 and it's variants.
 
but regardless of the details even if its not a variant of 1095 its still in fact a carbon steel yeah? and jbmonkey, i thought tool steels ( o1, d2, w2, m4, awhatevernumber, etc) were in fact still technically carbon steels. and thats fine. modern makers that are heavy in the tool steels, which would those be?
 
williamsld8 said:
so to those of you more knowledgeable, what companies are well known for their carbon steel folders? and that means slippies or locking.
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Great Eastern does 1095. Straight Carbon Steel slip joints. Well done, also.

Mooremaker sells both slip joints and a couple of lockbacks, all in 1095. Never tried them, myself, so I don't know how they stack up. Some of the slip joints are made by Queen, so those are good for sure.

Speaking of Queen. Their Queen City line of slipjoints is 1095

And as mentioned above, Case has CV steel in some models. It isn't straight carbon steel, but it for sure is not stainless.
 
williamsld8 said:
but regardless of the details even if its not a variant of 1095 its still in fact a carbon steel yeah? and jbmonkey, i thought tool steels ( o1, d2, w2, m4, awhatevernumber, etc) were in fact still technically carbon steels. and thats fine. modern makers that are heavy in the tool steels, which would those be?
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Strictly speaking, "carbon steel" only contains iron carbon, manganese and silicon. If there are controlled amounts of any other elements, the proper term is "alloy steel".

The easier, more correct way to say it is "stainless" and "non-stainless".
 
The m4 on spyderco's gayle bradley is a carbon steel, a bit more work to put a patina on it than 1095 takes but it is by no means stainless.

Really I don't see too many modern folders having carbon steel...

Svord peasant knife is carbon steel, opinels come in carbon steel.

Why exactly are you looking for a "carbon steel" blade? Obviously they have their disadvantages and advantages but what is it that makes YOU want one?
 
well i have been told NUMEROUS times by people here on this forum, and by people i have met, that non-stainless blades will rust faster, but due to the lack of large hard carbides, will take a wicked edge very easily, very fast, and hold it just as long as the stainless knives. i want to find out for myself. also i want to see first hand how much faster they corrode compared to stainless. also i want compare the performance along side my stainless knives. basically, i want all the advice and stories and knowledge passed around here on the forum, to happen in front of my face, in my hands. so im going "non-stainless" hunting now. thanks for setting me straight with that term knarfeng, by the way.
 
williamsld8 said:
well i have been told NUMEROUS times by people here on this forum, and by people i have met, that non-stainless blades will rust faster, but due to the lack of large hard carbides, will take a wicked edge very easily, very fast, and hold it just as long as the stainless knives. i want to find out for myself. also i want to see first hand how much faster they corrode compared to stainless. also i want compare the performance along side my stainless knives. basically, i want all the advice and stories and knowledge passed around here on the forum, to happen in front of my face, in my hands. so im going "non-stainless" hunting now. thanks for setting me straight with that term knarfeng, by the way.
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In that case, try a CASE knife in CV. They don't cost a lot. They are nice knives. And they will demonstrate all of the attributes about which you are curious.
 
thank you. thats the route i will head down now. so...would you suggest sodbuster or trapper? haha im just messin ill probably pick up both
 
knarfeng said:
Your understanding is incorrect.
CV is not 1095 Cro Van. It is 1085 with some Chromium and Vanadium added.

It's good steel, but it's not any variant of 1095. And it does not hold an edge near as well as 1095 and it's variants.
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Good info. Thanks for setting me straight. Appreciated.
 
Just to add my two cents, Case's CV is good steel but rusts very easily. About as far from stainless
as I've had in a knife.
 
jbmonkey said:
not that i know of. modern one hand opener locking, etc. style folder production makers and buyers of said knives seem to like stainless and tool steels. i can't say i've seen a modern style made today with good old 1095 or 1095 crovan. not saying there isn't one out there, but none that i can think of. if you find one, please let me know as i always had a thing for carbon steels. i prefer them over most stainless, even the exotic stainless steels.
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There are a few. Check out the new spyderco caly 3.5 with super blue steel. Also the spyderco gayle Bradley is in m4 which is more of a super steel than a traditional carbon steel. But it will stain a bit if you let it, but not as much as something like 1095.

I have spyderco's m4 military, which was a limited run, and it is by far the best steel I have ever used.
 
knarfeng said:
Your understanding is incorrect.
CV is not 1095 Cro Van. It is 1085 with some Chromium and Vanadium added.

It's good steel, but it's not any variant of 1095. And it does not hold an edge near as well as 1095 and it's variants.
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Yup, someone here figured that out (Was that you?)

Exact composition: http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelchart.php?snm=Case CV


I really like Case CV, but I don't really notice a huge difference between it and KaBars 1095 or ESEE's 1095.

Overall I think the talk about grain structure and what not is pretty well addressed by most stainless steels out there today. Sanviks and CPM steels for example often have extremely fine grain structure and will take as fine an edge as blades with high carbon content. Most of the anti-carbon sentiments I've heard in regards to the "which is sharper" stuff seemed to have been aimed at earlier stainless steels.

You should check out this link... http://zknives.com/knives/articles/knifesteelfaq.shtml If you get real interested, check out this post from the maker's section. It's regarding heat treating, but it's got a lot of useful info you might be interested in regarding carbon vs stainless steels.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/673173-Working-the-three-steel-types.
 
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