Carrying a Rifle or Pistol in the Wilds

When packing....the problem then becomes selecting something that is light and packable....yet powerful enough for bears, etc.
 
Getting a package that will be carried all the time, i.e. light enough and small enough, yet still able to pack a substantial punch is the key! I really like the two new Rugers currently, the Alaskan and 4" Redhawk. Both can be had in .44 magnum and I'd like one of each! :)
 
Jeff Clark said:
Hypothetically someone might pack a snub-nosed revolver out of sight regardless of the regulations...hypothetically. It might be real convenient if that was an aluminum/titanium Smith & Wesson.
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I hypothetically agree...:
and if you don't have the hypothetical 1000 dollars you could get a hypothetical Ruger SP101 with a little more hypothetical weight, hypothetically half the price:D:D:D

don't worry if this doesn't make sense it was only hypothetical, btw I should hypothetically be in bed because I've REALLY been up since before the crack of dawn
 
I like to ask the BLM about that stuff. They're really nice up here in ID, and will bend over backwards to show you places where you can carry firearms or do some plinking.
Fish and Game is really nice, too.

I do NOT want to lose my CCW, so I want to always be legal.

*BLM = Beuro (?) of Land Management

Aside: I was in Yellowstone National Park recently. Ignored the "no firearms" rule. Just left the guns out of sight inside the car.
"No firearms"! Bollocks!
 
I'm with Dr. Mudd! Keep your mouth shut and your profile low and pack away. Don't advertise and have a good rig to conceal. No worries!
 
My experience has shown..................

if your'e old, the Rangers are nice to you,
a firearm out of site is a non issue,
shooting, plinking, is a no no in a NF near camp grounds,

AND having protection in the campground area for two legged characters is a good idea.

The only headaches I've had is with drunk college kids pretending to be "outdoor people". Derelicts abound in Florida and caution is mandatory.
 
Here in WV The fish and game rules state you can carry with conceled permit for hunting, fishing , hiking or campinand you don't have to ordinarly inform LEOs that you are CCW. In Texas the areas or places that phrohibited conceled carry must post a specific sign . I think the problem every where in general is misinformation and when confronted by LEOs is trying to tell them what they can and can't do. If ask why I carry a firearm or big knife I say it comforts me I have caried a gun and knife for protection of my self and never cut or shot anyone but there have been times that it got really close and my protective devices were really a comfort. I would rather explain my code from a jail cel than have it read at my euology.
 
Open carry in PA is not a problem in the woods. My brother and I were once approached by a Game Warden on State Game Lands. He just wanted to stop and say he had released a rattler and for us to avoid the area where he let it go. He didn't even mention the holstered Glock 17's we were carrying. I carry concealed in polite society but in the woods I don't worry about it.

Ounce per ounce the Glocks make a lot of sense. Joking around once I did a comparison...

Total foot pounds of energy for all rounds in the gun
Total bullet weight of all rounds in gun
Total bullet diamater of all rounds in gun

This was done in jest to rattle a 1911 guy, and yes, I'm a big fan of the 1911 and carry one often. My G17, loaded with 20 rounds of 9mm is packing a seven inch diameter bullet of 2480 grains with 7000 foot pounds of energy. That is a flying ashtray. Mac
 
My permit is a SD permit. Its in a block of states that honors other states permits. Maybe soon we won't need a permit to carry out our constitutional rights.:mad:
 
Plainsman-I would bet you read an article in the November issue of Guns...huh! They chose the .44, and that is probably a good choice in black bear country, but I want something bigger for the bigger bears.

For years I carried a Ruger GP100 (.357), full house load with cast core bullets and felt well enough armed in black bear country, but the Alaskans make a lot more sense.
 
pict said:
My G17, loaded with 20 rounds of 9mm is packing a seven inch diameter bullet
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Better redo your math.

Even if your gun could fire all 20 bullets side by side simultaneously, it would be UNDER TWO INCHES in diameter.

Go look at a box of 9mm and see how wide the first 20 rds are in the tray. Even with the space between the compartments, it's nowhere close to 7".

14 rds of .45, btw, are OVER the 2" diameter ! :D

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David E,

Working from memory. You're just trifling with me here. Add up the foot pounds and bullet weight in your standard 1911 .45 and you can clearly see that the high cap 9mm is the ne plus ultra in high speed low drag firepower. I know you can lug around a high cap .45, lug being the operative word.

On a serious note, most of a bullets weight is in the actual bullet. A 230 grain .45 weighs 2x that of a 115 grain 9mm. Likewise most of a guns weight is in its frame. Velocity doesn't weigh anything. The 10mm Glock is about the best bet in terms of blackbear/Zombie to weight ratio.

I often carry my 1911 in the woods, either that or a S&W 19-5 with a 2.5 inch barrel, very packable woods gun. Mac
 
pict said:
On a serious note, most of a bullets weight is in the actual bullet. A 230 grain .45 weighs 2x that of a 115 grain 9mm. Velocity doesn't weigh anything.
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Thanks for pointing that out, pict. If you've got two rounds that are close enough in real world performance that no clear cut winner ever comes out in internet flame wars, then the lighter & faster round will win when you have to account for every ounce of weight. Gunpowder weighs a lot less than lead.

That said, I rarely have to worry about weight on my short woods loafing excursions, so I'm liable to be carrying some heavier firepower just for fun as much as utility.

You may recall back in the shooterstalk days all my posts about the .45 not living up to the hype (on varmints). Still dreaming about that 10mm...
 
For my part, I would be disinclined to enter the back country of Glacier or Denali National Parks without a firearm. Anyone who travels on foot through grizzly country unarmed is not properly prepared.
 
x39 said:
For my part, I would be disinclined to enter the back country of Glacier or Denali National Parks without a firearm. Anyone who travels on foot through grizzly country unarmed is not properly prepared.
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They aren't very smart either....:D
 
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