Carrying scissors or how I learned to love the Paramilitary 2

Yes it's a production knife, you could say I have "delicate" hands as well or that I am being too picky. Your opinion and I take no offense at all. I just wanted to share with those that felt the same way about the knife as I did and suggest a solution which would remedy the "perceived shortfalls" without changing appearance and functionality.
 
I have no problem at all with my para2. I have one GB and one Military, and multiples each of the Para2, Manix and Tenacious. I have no problem with any of them exactly as they came from the factory.
 
Rounic said:
Yes it's a production knife, you could say I have "delicate" hands as well or that I am being too picky. Your opinion and I take no offense at all. I just wanted to share with those that felt the same way about the knife as I did and suggest a solution which would remedy the "perceived shortfalls" without changing appearance and functionality.
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I for one appreciate the thread. I know people want to think I'm a Spyderco hater but it's a legit fact about the knives and part of the reason why I never held on to mine.

What I find funny is when people look at Spydercos and say their F&F is just as good as a Sebenza. This is one of the reasons why they are not. This is also why they are cheaper, because smoothing off the rough edges is an extra step and would be an added cost.
 
Scurvy092 said:
What I find funny is when people look at Spydercos and say their F&F is just as good as a Sebenza. This is one of the reasons why they are not. This is also why they are cheaper, because smoothing off the rough edges is an extra step and would be an added cost.
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Yup. Only a difference of $300. No thanks I'm perfectly happy with my rougher edges. :D Just in my price range too, and not a penny more.
Not that I don't have the money for a Sebenza but I just choose not to spend that much on a knife. So bring on the rough edges. :p
 
Sadly it's not just spyderco, there's a lot of even much higher $ knives that I'll round the edges on. It really takes a knife that feels like a cold tool and makes it melt into the hand. It's not just liners, there's a lot of handle scales, esp. carbon fiber recently that have sharp hard edges that I'll just take the sharpness off of, feels like a completely different knife. For example the CF spyderco Manix 2 and XL the handle edges are much sharper than the G10 version. The CF versions feel blocky and unfinished compared to their G10 cousins.

I've done it to a LOT of production knives, it's common on spyderco's but my 0560CBCF, BM 950 forum, BM 940-1, Microtech Delta G10 all had very sharp lines on the handles/liners somewhere. What really amazes me is the higher dollar stuff that comes that way. For example my TAD dauntless and Spartan Akribis had sharp inner liner edges. To me it simply says that the company/maker didn't care take the time to round those edges and properly finish them. If you need tactile grip there are much better ways to do it than leaving sharp edges.

In the 1911 world they call it a "Melt" treatment because once all those edges are rounded/smoothed/mated it feels like the handle melts into your hand. You still have plenty of grip in the texture of the handles without leaving sharp edges.
 
Scurvy092 said:
I for one appreciate the thread. I know people want to think I'm a Spyderco hater but it's a legit fact about the knives and part of the reason why I never held on to mine.

What I find funny is when people look at Spydercos and say their F&F is just as good as a Sebenza. This is one of the reasons why they are not. This is also why they are cheaper, because smoothing off the rough edges is an extra step and would be an added cost.
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So its not a "legit fact". Its a "legit opinion". :) As you can see from the responses, this is not the case for everyone. The majority of people don't share your disliking for spyderco "rough edges". Even if they ARE a little rough, not many people have delicate enough hands to notice.

If you dont like spyderco's Fit and Finish, thats your opinion. But saying that them being too rough around the edges is a "legit fact" is simply untrue. They are rough FOR YOU. I find them to be perfect.

Objectively, I see your point about sebenzas having more refined Fit and Finish, but in terms of the feel in hand, I have had no problems with spydercos. Furthermore, I dont see the "rough edges" to be a product of cost savings, but rather part of the intended design. PM2's are not designed to fill the same role as sebenzas. CRK's are designed to be classy edc knives, PM2's are meant to be work knives (often used with gloves BTW) that arent afraid of some punishment (which is the reason for the strong comp lock and thicker than normal blade stock). Not to say that sebenzas arent strong as well, but just that they arent typically used in the same way as the PM2. Therefore, the fit and finish of the PM2 is incomparable to that of the Sebenza because they are totally different knives designed with different uses in mind. So those "rough edges" on the PM2 are not to cut corners (is this a pun?), but to keep with the design purpose of the knife. The PM2 didnt need the final refinements that sebenzas have, so the designers left them off the blueprints. But that is not because it would cost more to do otherwise :)

Of course thats just MY take on the matter.
 
I think, on the evidence of this thread, we can call it a fact that some people like to round off sharp edges, & some don't. I would have been surprised if it were any other way.
 
Blues Bender said:
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Who cares if it's a little sharp, just use the damn thing. I've got 3 Manix, a Gayle Bradley, and a Southard; all executed flawlessly. Sure, some corners are a little sharp, but I have very worn and calloused hands from playing guitar and working hard. It doesn't bother me in the least bit. It's a knife, not a pillow.

This is just being too f*****g picky...

This thread reminds me of that fairy tale "The Princess and The Pea"...
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I agree. Both my Manix and Southard both have slight sharp edges on the inside of the liners, thumb hole, blade spine etc, but there is no reason to fret over it because eventually, the edges will either wear down with use or you'll develop manly thumbs :p
 
Krissig12 said:
So its not a "legit fact". Its a "legit opinion". :) As you can see from the responses, this is not the case for everyone. The majority of people don't share your disliking for spyderco "rough edges". Even if they ARE a little rough, not many people have delicate enough hands to notice.
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The spyderco inner edges are not finished to the same degree as a Sebenza, that is a fact, not an opinion. People not noticing it or not having an issue with it is an opinion.
 
mtangent said:
I think, on the evidence of this thread, we can call it a fact that some people like to round off sharp edges, & some don't. I would have been surprised if it were any other way.
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Sure, you can call THAT a fact. But you cant claim its a fact that spyderco's objectively have edges that are too rough. In the end it is all a matter of perspective. Think about what it was designed for. The PM2 and the sebenza are not designed for the same thing, IMO
 
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Scurvy092 said:
The spyderco inner edges are not finished to the same degree as a Sebenza, that is a fact, not an opinion. People not noticing it or not having an issue with it is an opinion.
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I am well aware of the difference in fit and finish between the sebenza and PM2. I never said THAT wasnt a fact. I said that you were wrong to objectively state that spyderco's edges are too rough. In the first part of your post that I quoted in my first response to you, you werent yet comparing the seb with the PM2. You were just insinuating that it was a "fact" that the Spyderco's had rough edges. If you read the rest of my post, you will see that I argue that they are not "rough" when you consider the PM2's intended purpose vs that of the Sebenza.
 
cards94 said:
You have city hands Mr. Hooper. You been counting money all your life. :D
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I miss Robert Shaw.


OK... back to knives. Out of 50+ knives from Spyderco, I've never had one that needed "detailing" on any of the edges, but I definitely don't have city hands. The PM was the first knife that really exceeded my expectations so much that it became my gold standard for an everyday folder. I bought my first just to try the compression lock. I figured I'd carry it a while, play with the lock, and move it along. Didn't happen. Still got it and and a bunch of it's PM & PM 2 mates. The only thing that's come close to being as satisfying to carry is my Emerson mini-CQC15.
 
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Scurvy092 said:
What I find funny is when people look at Spydercos and say their F&F is just as good as a Sebenza. This is one of the reasons why they are not. This is also why they are cheaper, because smoothing off the rough edges is an extra step and would be an added cost.
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I've handled Sebenzas enough to feel like they don't have anything to offer me. Sure, the corners are well rounded. Yes, blade to handle ratio is as good as it gets. No, those don't offset the fact that the handle is too straight for my liking or make up for the fact that I can get the same steels for less than half the price.

I don't own a Sebenza or a PM2, but I have handled each. Given equal money and the choice between the two, I would buy 3 PM2s and come out way ahead.
 
dalefuller said:
I miss Robert Shaw.
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For some reason my wife had us watching the end of a shark movie yesterday with a huge shark battling a shark-shaped submarine. When they showed the real shark beside an aircraft carrier, and the shark was almost as big as the carrier, I was quoting Roy Scheider "you're going to need a bigger boat".

Back to the topic at hand- I've noticed that some Spyderco knives have relatively crude liners. I'm carrying a Para2 today and there is only a tiny bit of the liner edge that is even exposed, and I don't have a problem with how it looks. I don't think it is worth spending more time trying to refine this. My Manix 2 XL has a lot more liner edges exposed and they could be better machined but again it would raise the price of the knife. I have not had a problem with any edges of the G10 scales. I actually appreciate the sharp edges on the blade itself, it shows fine machining work. I have a Kershaw Blur that is a much less expensive knife. It doesn't have any sharp edges on the blade because they do excessive stonewashing on it. IMO this is a way to do cheap machining and hide the evidence. I like to see the sharp edges so I know that they did good machine work on it. And the sharp edge on the spyder hole just helps me to open the knife easier. I have some Benchmade knives with less sharp edges on their blade holes and they are not nearly as reliable for opening.
 
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