Carrying the gear..... BackPacks, LBE and like harness, messenger bag type?

Marion David Poff

Marion David Poff

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Good Day,

Most people throw their kit in a backpack. I have two of those, a SAS LRP pack, and a Jandd slim ruck.

Military personnel use LBV, LBE, and other harness, I have an LBE.

Ron Hood uses a leather bag that he throws over his shoulder, 1800's types used the old equivalent of a messenger bag, I have been considering something like this.

What are y'all's thoughts on gear containers?

Backpacks seem to be the baseline. Throw your crap in there, and away you go. But, if you want access to something on the trail, then what? In your pockets? -Uncomfortable! Accessorize with smaller bags on the waist belt, shoulder strap, sternum strap?

I like LBE because you can wear it continously, makes a certain 'I don't want to be without my gear' sense. You orient the pouches and what have you, right, and you never need remove the harness until you settle in for the night. But, I have yet to see a backpack attachment for an LBE. And, it looks unfriendly, like a militia member or a soldier, but definitely not a recreationalist.

Messenger bag or equivalent, lots less space, and it pulls down on one shoulder.

Throw some ideas at me, please. I am not without options, and I am willing to apply some more money to the problem, but I am unsure of my next move.

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HEY,
there is a messenger bag made by a german co. it is one of the best ones made. it is totally water proof, it has sleeves to put photos or things you want not to get bent, a small pouch,padded straps just like an alice pack but better, lumbar strap and padding for your back. i had mine for almost 10years. been every where with minecan fit anything almost in it too.
the name of the comany is ORTLIEB MESSENGERS. I CAN GUARANTEE THIS ITEM OR MESSENGERS WORLD WIDE WOULD NOT BE USING THEM ESPECIALLY THOSE IN NYC.. CEYA ONE ....CEYA KNIFE DESIGNS

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The haversack (messenger bag type) is my preferred method of carry for day hikes, hunting, etc. I actually use a civil war union army style bag which is made of tarred heavy canvas. It's relatively waterproof and holds a heck of a load, while remaining quite comfortable. It's very similar to Ron's possibles bag.

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It's not the pace of life that concerns me, It's the sudden stop at the end.
 
I just started carrying my gear in a shoulder bag. I use a GI buttpack with a shoulder strap attached. It's small enough to not get in the way, but holds quite a bit of gear.
 
Big load, I use a daypack: comfortable, secure, allows freedom of movement.

Small load, I use a fannypack.

I don't care for bags that have only one shoulder strap 'cause they shift and fall off if I do anything other than walk/ride.

db
 
Geez I hate to be uncool here but for most of my dayhiking, I use a camelbak hydration pack and northface fanny pack. I do a lot of birding and often just take an eagle creek shoulder bag with binos, field guide and a few essential survival items. I like waterproof bags of one sort or the other.

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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
Hoodoo, that is, like, so, like, untactical.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Dave B:
Hoodoo, that is, like, so, like, untactical.
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Well...my Eagle Creek shoulder bag is black. Does that help?
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Hoodoo

I get some pleasure from finding a relentlessly peaceful use for a combative looking knife.
JKM
 
Carrying most of my gear: 3000 cubic inch (EMS) and ~5000 cubic inch top-loading internal frame backpacks with top pocket, mesh bottle pockets, and outside attachment points to attach more gear.

For midi survival kit: waterproof belt pouch.

Would be ideal to replace the pouch: Mountainsmith ~1000 cubic inch lumbar pack that is convertible into single strap shoulder bag or double-shoulder strapped harness-type of thing.

For more water carry: 10 liter Dromedary Bag with attached shoulder straps. It can be strapped to the backpack too.

HM
 
Hoodoo, please, if you're going to get diverse, the phrase is "My pack is Of Color".

Anyway, how can you be a proper wannabe if your gear ain't taktikal?

db


 
For urban use, I use either a Yak Pak Tech Sling or Deluxe Sling (http://www.yakpak.com/product.asp?dept%5Fid=15&pf%5Fid=407). For hiking or other outdoor actvities, I use a Mountainsmith Tour or Day lumbar pack. I really enjoy them. www.mountainsmith.com

I use the strapettes accessory for more support. They're similar to a LBE strap but not tactical.

I'm still looking to buy an LBE for shooting and for if the s*** hits the fan but haven't ordered them yet. I need something more "tactical" for holding a holster, knives, flashlights, ASP, ammo, water, binoculars, OC, etc.

I'm not a big fan of shoulder bags either; they usually dig into my flesh (and I tend to carry heavy stuff). Backpacks are cool; I have a few, but my back sweats too much. Check out the Oakley backpacks at www.oakley.com.

gm
 
Thanks All.

I think you are confirming what I suspected, that there is no single solution.

I imagine I will find a haversack/messenger bag for trips where I go light.

And www.specopsbrand.com offers a couple of accessory bags that I think I will add to my backpack.

And my LBE will continue to lay around. Though, I think the best gear transport is to be found in this sort of system. I am mighty tempted to get Ranger H-Harness. If you could get a backpack attachment for a harness........

Thanks again,
MDP

[This message has been edited by Marion David Poff (edited 05-23-2001).]
 
There is no good way to carry a large load; that's why we were given domesticated animals (a good-sized dog can carry 40 lb. in side packs, which translates to a LOT of beer
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), llamas, mules, horses, not to mention, Yamahas and Winnebagos. Lewis (of Lewis and Clark fame) had a slave to do the heavy hauling, although he did eventually (and reluctantly) carry his own pack. My favorite for day trips is an LL Bean Continental Rucksack, and for serious backpacking, the old Trapper Nelson torture rack. It's not as comfortable as the spine contoured nylon/titanium/Gortex/ripstop/hip belt packs with all the bells and whistles, but if you keep the weight to reasonable levels, it's OK. It's tough, reasonably waterproof and easy to repair. The canvas pack can easily be detached by drawing two metal rods so the frame can be used for hauling quarters of meat, etc. The famous Arctic explorer John Rae, and my old friend Tommy Tompkins, the noted Canadian bushman and photographer, considered 35 lbs. a reasonable upper limit to carry on your back. I've seen people staggering under twice that weight, which makes no sense if you're not in combat. Just my two cents...
 
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