Case Naming Problem

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What is in a name? Well, a lot. Especially to a collector. It is part of who you are. It's also part of our pocketknife hobby. How would you feel if I called a GEC a Kissing Crane? Or a canoe a bull nose? Or Jack Black is now Jack Green?

Well, Case needs to get this right. If nothing more than to show they take pride in their products.

I am confused as to what the name of the x2087 is. I took a screen shot of when I typed "jack" into the search engine on Case's website. The "medium jack" is what I think it is, based on the item #220. However, item #14303 is also a "medium jack" yet it is 1/4" longer than item #220. Even more so, I have a picture of the box of a x2087 that I own that is clearly labeled "texas jack".

To compound it even further. They call x2032 both a "small texas jack" and a "texas jack". Yet I've learned through this forum that there is a "real" "texas jack that is larger than the "small texas jack" (sorry, I don't know the pattern number of the "real" texas jack). Yet, the box my item #25784 calls it a "jack texas".

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And this is not the only problems I've come across on Case's website. They often called the "skinner" blade a "clip" blade, etc etc.
 
I'm sure Case will be glad to hear you've solved their marketing problem. Last year's sales are estimated to be one million plus units.
 
Yes, Case is not consistent with their naming conventions. They have five current patterns that they call "Medium Stockman" for example.

The '2032 pattern with both blades at the same end is called the Small Texas Jack only when it is made in Amber Bone CV. All of the stainless steel versions in other handles have been called a "Medium Jack" up until this new one in green barnboard. The '2087 Jack is also called "Medium Jack" in all handle materials other than the 22087 black synthetic. For that one they put Texas Jack on the box.

If you are looking for inaccuracies on their web site, you will find plenty.
 
I don't think most people really care about what a knife is called, they just want one that gets the job done and those people are the majority of cases customers. Case really doesn't need to have fancy or clever names to sell knives, they literally sell themselves by their name alone.

Jack is a very broad term that has been used by many cutlery manufacturers for a very long time, the amount of knives that can be accurately referred to as a jack is bewildering. Texas jack is also a name used for moose patterns.
 
Case's original Texas Jack was the '292 pattern. Is is about halfway in size between the Small Texas Jack and the '75 Large Stockman frames, with the same squared bolster shape.

I'll post a picture of some of my Case Jacks in a little when I am near a real computer.
 
joeradza said:
I'm sure Case will be glad to hear you've solved their marketing problem. Last year's sales are estimated to be one million plus units.
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You live to be sarcastic, don't you?

jc57 said:
Yes, Case is not consistent with their naming conventions. They have five current patterns that they call "Medium Stockman" for example.

The '2032 pattern with both blades at the same end is called the Small Texas Jack only when it is made in Amber Bone CV. All of the stainless steel versions in other handles have been called a "Medium Jack" up until this new one in green barnboard. The '2087 Jack is also called "Medium Jack" in all handle materials other than the 22087 black synthetic. For that one they put Texas Jack on the box.

If you are looking for inaccuracies on their web site, you will find plenty.
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Thank you for the information. Where did you come across that?

Hate to burst your theory but my 62087 is "moss brown" and called a Texas Jack on the box. Most people might remember this as "burnt moss" on Case's website. I guess just goes back to their naming theory is poor.
 
I wasn't being sarcastic but critical. Based on your recent posts that you pose as critical questions the difference between you and me is obvious. To put it simply, you see the glass as half empty.
 
joeradza said:
I wasn't being sarcastic but critical. Based on your recent posts that you pose as critical questions the difference between you and me is obvious. To put it simply, you see the glass as half empty.
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Well just stay the hell out of my threads then.

I'm trying to learn, pose questions and ideas, and discuss pocketknives. You're interfering with that with your "critical" comments.
 
I came across that from my own collecting experience with Case knives during the years I was actively searching for knives to buy. I had noticed some of the same odd inaccuracies in naming that you have seen here recently.

For the mid-2000s through about 2012 or so, they made a number of knives in the 62032/52032 pattern but I only saw them referred to as "Medium Jack" except for the Amber Bone CV which was always called Small Texas Jack. I have two 62032 in Sunset Winterbottom Bone that were both called "Medium Jack" and that is what is printed on the box.

The 22087 is weird because the web site and printed catalogs always showed that as a "Medium Jack" on the web site and catalogs, but they print "Texas Jack" on the box. I guess they did the same with your Moss Brown 62087. The only 62087 Jack I own is from 2007 and is just labeled "Jack" on the box. Not medium, not from Texas. Just "Jack."

Here's the pic of several of my Case Jack patterns:



Clockwise from top:
62032 Amber Bone CV - labeled "Small Texas Jack"
62087 Brown Barnboard SS - Labeled "Jack"
6292 Brown Bone - no box - this is what is normally called a "Texas Jack" but I can't prove that so you'll have to take my word for it or do your own research.
62032 Sunset Winterbottom Bone SS - labeled "Medium Jack"
 
And while we're at it, all of the following patterns are called Medium Stockman:

6344
63090
63087
6318
63032

And if you search for 63032 on their web site, you will find that they incorrectly list that as the model number for the Small Texas Jack, obviously a typo since it should be 62032. It has been like that for about 5 years, since I first noticed it.

Like I said, if you want a hobby, finding all the inaccuracies and omissions on Case's web site can keep you busy for a while. I get the feeling that during the recession they laid off some of their IT people and didn't staff back up afterwards.
 
jc57 said:
I came across that from my own collecting experience with Case knives during the years I was actively searching for knives to buy. I had noticed some of the same odd inaccuracies in naming that you have seen here recently.

For the mid-2000s through about 2012 or so, they made a number of knives in the 62032/52032 pattern but I only saw them referred to as "Medium Jack" except for the Amber Bone CV which was always called Small Texas Jack. I have two 62032 in Sunset Winterbottom Bone that were both called "Medium Jack" and that is what is printed on the box.

The 22087 is weird because the web site and printed catalogs always showed that as a "Medium Jack" on the web site and catalogs, but they print "Texas Jack" on the box. I guess they did the same with your Moss Brown 62087. The only 62087 Jack I own is from 2007 and is just labeled "Jack" on the box. Not medium, not from Texas. Just "Jack."

Here's the pic of several of my Case Jack patterns:



Clockwise from top:
62032 Amber Bone CV - labeled "Small Texas Jack"
62087 Brown Barnboard SS - Labeled "Jack"
6292 Brown Bone - no box - this is what is normally called a "Texas Jack" but I can't prove that so you'll have to take my word for it or do your own research.
62032 Sunset Winterbottom Bone SS - labeled "Medium Jack"
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Thank you for the information. It's great to hear about your experiences from collecting! So moving forward I need to worry more about the pattern numbers and less about the names. Kinda sad but I can accept it.

I'm particularly interested in Case Jack knives (one big blade/one small blade on the same end) because that is what I'm starting to collect. I've come to find it's my favorite type of pocketknife. Not right now but in a couple pay checks, that "bigger" texas jack (x292) is high on my list. I know it's going to be harder though because they're older models.

As an aside thing, one of the Case Bose's this year is "Standard Jigged Brown Bone Eureka Jack (TB622017 154-CM)". Do you think it will look like the brown bone you posted?
 
I never trust Case's color descriptions or stock catalog pictures until I see actual photos of the finished products, or see them in person. Too much room for variation. "Brown" is too broad of a description to really nail down.

The marketing photo for the upcoming Case/Bose Eureka Jack in "Brown Bone" looks an awfully lot like the Amber Jigged or Burnt Amber Bone to me, with a little light brown tint to the underlying bone . I have no way to judge what it might look like in reality.

I never have been and never will be willing to spend that kind of money on a pocket knife so I will leave it to others to decide how it looks in real life.
 
Yea I got the same impression that you did. What they called brown bone in that picture looked like amber bone to me too.

I found that they made three Case Bose jack knives. Dog leg, coffin, and now the eureka. Even though you ain't purchased them, which one do you think you'd like in comparison to your other case jack knives? The dog leg seems a little thick/wide to me.
 
I've seen and handled the coffin jack in person. It is a well-made and somewhat small and slim gentlemen's folder. Perfect watch-pocket knife at 3 1/2".

I saw the Dogleg Jack at my local Case dealer a few years ago but didn't handle it. It is a good sized knife, no question. Needs a belt sheath or perhaps a pocket slip if you were going to carry and use it. 3 3/4" long. That extra 1/4" doesn't seem like that much, but it's a beefier knife. Probably has a pocket feel more like a Case Trapper but a little shorter. Or maybe closer to a Case Copperhead.
 
Welcome to the game!
Unfortunetally noone ever said knife collecting was easy.. (unfortunate because I wish someone had, so I could go shoot them for lieing!! ;) )

If the Case naming problems bother you, whatever you do dont try to collect GEC knives... Their naming is an even bigger mess.

Both companies suffer from a part of what I'd call free enterprise; since they own it, they can call it whatever they like, and change it whenever they like... Thus the confusion of many a collector, and even us lowly users.

It's not only the Case names bothering me lately, but the numbers, and the odd array of prefixes, suffixes, and the floating 0 they add inside the numbers.. (ie, why the heck is a two blade 47 a 62047 instead of just a 6247?? )
 
Ice Tigre said:
Welcome to the game!
Unfortunetally noone ever said knife collecting was easy.. (unfortunate because I wish someone had, so I could go shoot them for lieing!! ;) )

If the Case naming problems bother you, whatever you do dont try to collect GEC knives... Their naming is an even bigger mess.

Both companies suffer from a part of what I'd call free enterprise; since they own it, they can call it whatever they like, and change it whenever they like... Thus the confusion of many a collector, and even us lowly users.

It's not only the Case names bothering me lately, but the numbers, and the odd array of prefixes, suffixes, and the floating 0 they add inside the numbers.. (ie, why the heck is a two blade 47 a 62047 instead of just a 6247?? )
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I feel your pain. I THINK I've decided they added the "0" in front of old pattern numbers to denote a new variation of the old pattern.

I'm still trying to figure out the "1/2" after the pattern number. Some said it was on patterns that replaced the clip blade with another blade but then I found the Barnboard Jig Kentucky Bluegrass Backpocket (with a clip blade) also has the "1/2"... so who knows. Lol



I did find out the other day that muskrats have no pattern number at all. They're just stamped "muskrat". Talk about throwing all the naming conventions out. Lol. At least they made that one fool-proof.
 
Another thank you to jc57!

Now I know why I've not seen a True Sharp Small Texas Jack! And the size comparison pic is great too!

Interesting the shorter fatter pen blades on the 032s, as opposed to the slimmer ones on the others, I'd never noticed that before.
 
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