Case Red Bone CV

I may be in the minority here, but I actually LIKE the bright, gaudy red. However, I am a SAKaholic, so that may explain it, but.... I don;t know, there's just something about the bright red on a Peanut that I really like. Red = sheeple friendly + easy to find if dropped. They could do a better job of making it an even red, but it's ok with me. Now as soon as funds allow, I'm going to have to go get me one.
 
If the Red Bone is a bright gaudy red... (hose lipstick)
I shall pass.

I can save the extra cost of the bone and get yella.
Two yellas instead of bone, saves almost enough for another yella
 
I kinda like the cheap whore's lipstick red bone color. It is a little bit gaudy, but I don't mind that. Being 6'7" with a mess of red hair, I'm not very subtle either, and I don't care if my knives are.
 
sunnyd,

I agree with your assessment and comparisons of the old Case bone versus today's cheap whore's lipstick red.

Thank you for the nice pictures to assist in the thread.

Do not wash these new Red Bone (or any new bone of colors) in dish washing soap such as Dawn, or Palmolive.

A group of us , moms and kids were doing "knife stuff" on the property.
Whittling, messing with the garden, breaking down cardboard boxes, cutting rope...etc.

Some of the folks washed up outside with garden hose, with Dawn.
Others inside with Palmolive.

You know how you do, you handle and get "sticky stuff" off a knife blade.
New Red bone, and other colors "bled" and lightened up.
The kids were real upset.

Mineral oil and I believe Glycerin was used, and the color "saved" and "darkened".

We took an old Case Red Bone, and tested it with Palmolive, it did not bled, or lighten in color.

My take has to do with knives for collectors, versus users.

Baby Shampoo does not seem to affect this new Red bone or other colors.

It is best we share and pass forward such matters, as traditional knives get a lot of sentimental value attached to them.


Steve

Hey Steve,

Thanks for the comments and the true assessments on your behalf detailing the perils of washing the new dyed Bone of today as compared to the older dyed bone of the past. I might of made that distinction in my earlier posts to give other folks a heads up. I should add that I have found that this newer dying process is not just limited to Case but to others like Queen and Schatt & Morgan as well. As usual it seems that the older knives from the past out performs the newer knives yet again in this area. Just like other areas like craftsmanship, steel quality and other areas that have been discussed previously... Thanks again Steve. Much obliged for your contribution.

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Gautier,

Your photography is absolutely wonderful. Anyone that shows that kind of detail and care in photographing his subject should be commended. The knife you have looks pretty as a picture. And as previously stated by Steve and others you may want to consider giving her a mineral oil bath for a day or two to slightly darken the bone and also give you the added effect of cleaning the knife of that confounded sticky, clumpy grease Case uses in their new knives. I have found if you open your blades either just before or just after the half stop in a fixed position while in the mineral oil bath, it will be freed of this unwanted grease. Also, to take it a step further I have found if you gently open and close your Peanut while submerged in the bath around 9 or 10 times, you should see better results after the bath time is up. And the overall result will be a smoother blade opening and closing..

Thanks for all your follow up writings and pictures and perhaps you could let us know if this mineral oil bath works for you, should you choose to try this option.

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As far as the preference of either darker or lighter and brighter red bone goes, it really is a matter of taste. Each individual has his or hers favorite color of red. Just so I am fair here,, let it be known that even in the older days of the production of these fine slipjoints that Case did have color and shade variations of good ole red bone..

The following is a 1940-64 Case XX Loom Fixer pattern that I had for many years of what can only be described as a bright red bone, although it was somewhat darker than the new stuff and IMO with lots more character..


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All the best,

Anthony
 
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Anthony,

You are correct, in regard to other companies having dye problems.

What we have are new boys and girls growing and being cycled into life matters, such as traditional pocket knives.

Sad to say, many are not being parented or mentored as many of us older members were. So I am not the only one around here, that feels it is my responsibility to be a mentor, in whatever capacity I have experience in.

Yes, I am old school, and not ashamed to admit it. The fact is, if Case, Queen,or any other manufacturer had to change the dye, because of EPA, or some other regulation, then flat out tell us the consumers.

Just be honest, and let us know they had to change, and are having fits with getting new dyes to work as those of yesteryear.
This is how business was done in the past, and still should be done today.
Stand behind the dye and product, and customers will respect, and even assist with "teething pains".

Now, if mfgs are cutting corners, trying to pull the wool over customer's eyes, and know darn well they are using inferior dye, and methods to increase profits, they need to be called on it.


We have lost some fine knife companies, and if some do not wise up, they will be gone as well.

$30 is not a lot of money, still it is for some boy or girl, wanting a knife like grandpa's, or some aunt or uncle.

They get this new knife in, and it is not like grandpa's, or aunt's or uncle's, and it hurts their feelings.
That dye starts bleeding out, and they will be soured on that manufacturer's brand name, and traditional knives as a whole.

Anthony, I know you are not a fan of yellow handled knives. Which is fine, I respect that, and we agree to disagree.

Still the sad reality is, a new person comes to me/us and wants a Chrome Vanadium blade, there is not much in the Case line, with CV blades.

I am responsible when a kid, a teenager, even adult says " I want a knife that took on patina when grandpa cut oranges, or my aunt peeled a 'tater, or my uncle pared apples".

It is a rite of passage to take that person to a mom and pop hardware store, bait shop, feed and seed or tractor store and let them look at a Case knife display.

Old Timer , Imperial, and Camillilus are gone, but local to me, I have Case.
I know this sounds totally dumb, goopy and sentimental, but that grandpa, grandma, aunt or uncle most likely fingerprinted up a knife display, and hoped, and waited for a knife of their very own, being bought in a mom and pop business.

It breaks my heart, they don't make a Old Timer, Camillilus or even the old old Case in CV anymore with a bone handle.
We can still get a yellow handled one, either the same pattern, or similar, with a blade that will take that patina.

I have to be honest, still with those I do these things with, they know, as I have earned their trust.
They get matriculated into Traditional, learn about how to sharpen, watch it patina and everything.

Informed, if they choose to get a Mother of Pearl , they know, it does not come with CV, or maybe that blue one, with Eisenhower on the blade, or...

Investigate and verify is what folks should be parented and mentored to do.
Quite a few folks will investigate, and verify the new dyed bone , and be forever turned off about traditional, carbon tool steel blades and the like, unless "we" parent and mentor the new folks and inform the mfgs of our displeasure.

Manufacturers would be wise to remember what brung them up.


Note: This 1999 Queen Collector's I rec'd from Blues, has blue bone.
No problems, and I have been using it.

So I do not know when changes were made.
Power of Internet, we consumers will figure it out, and mfgs will find out we are aware as well.
 
My red bone peanut came today. Very nice! The color is a fairly consistent orange-red with no trace of pink or white.
 

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L. Richard,

That is another fine example of the new red bone peanut in CV steel. Congrats, I know you will enjoy her for many years to come.:thumbup:

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Steve,

I completely concur with your statements once again. It indeed appears you and I are cut from very similar material. And although I much prefer the natural substances God has provided us here on this planet of ours, whether growing on trees or running on the hoof or even growing in our oceans, ect., I do realize their is a need for synthetic scales on our favorite pocket knives as well.. I don't often use my yellow handled knives, however I do own about a half dozen or so but they are all vintage Imperials, Colonials, Camillus's and Case's. I have a few more synthetics as well from the same companies from that era, but in other colors that I do prefer.

BTW, I just put in a request for you to be on my contact list. I would like to email you if that's ok?. Or perhaps you can email me if you have a moment or two to chat?

Thanks,

Anthony
 
L. Richard,

Congrats!
From your picture and description, yours looks very nice!

jim preston,
Oh I like the Amber Bone, and yes, I like the small Texas Jack.

Those that know me, can attest, I am a big advocate of "fit" to user of a tool for task. Most often referring to shotgun fit, and firearm fit in general.

Herein lies the problem we have been discussing. I razz and tease about Peanuts, heck I think folks should have the "whole set" meaning any kind of knife pattern, even SAKs, and even one hand opening, and locking.

Folks have a right to own and use what they want. Just a basic Human Right, and one that should not be restricted.

Heck if you have big enough swimming pool, and can afford and fit a battleship in the thing, I believe you have a right to have one.
[These would be great for keeping pigeons away during a family outdoor cookout for instance...*wink*]

The fact is, some areas do restrict what a person can have in a workplace, or campus.
So while a Red Bone, Amber Bone, or whatever else handle choice is preferred, and that person really does "fit" better with a Texas Jack, Stockman, Mini-Trapper, or another pattern - they are restricted.

I cannot take anything into a Courthouse now-a-days. Heck I used to not only carry a knife or two, I used to walk into a courthouse, and visit with Judges, with a Cocked & Locked Gov't Model of 1911, with USGI/Colt 7 rd mags, concealed.
Or a Model 19, 10, 36, (whatever) S&W Revolver.
And, we did not even have permits/ licenses back in the day.
Just a regular civilian, and Judges, Cops and others suggested folks carry a gun, concealed in public, in vehicles, and in businesses.
If a widow women needed a gun, one was obtained for her.
A teenager going off to the big city for community college- she got a gun as well.
Gun, ammo, lessons and this how it was done, and still should be, in my opinion.

Now.
This is the South, here in the USA , keep in mind.
The knife itself must be under 3", non-locking, no one hand assist opening, in some workplaces, or campuses.
*expletive!*

Yes, a bone handled knife, fit their hands better, the problem is, that knife is now restricted!
Oh I know a lady, that has amongst other things, her grandpa's old Red Bone Case like Anthony posted a picture of earlier.

Do you think the Security Folks care about how sentimental that knife is for one thing?
Forget about anything to do with it being a Red Bone, CV Case, made when it was and worth what it is.
Security does not care, instead they care about "control" and will just toss such knife in a box, and sell on Internet, or toss in a container to be destroyed!

I am 53 years old, this lady is "nearing" 50 , and she was about to break down and cry, when she found out on a Monday a "new policy" was being implemented.
I ran over, and that knife of hers, and some other folks, as Security was having a good time, being in control.

Just tossing Bucks, Old Timers, Kershaws, Spyderco's, whatever in a box, taken from folks. Security said they were destroyed, my gut said they got into the box, and divided the take.

She bought a Yellow Handle Peanut, for her EDC for such areas. She became so angry about the whole thing, she just bought some SAKs. She does do that work requiring her to be in such restrictive settings, still she likes what she likes and has a Human Right to have and use them.

Case, and others need to wake up and learn from the UK, about this restrictive legislations and interpretations.

Collecting, is "one thing", which is fine.
WE have users, honest to goodness folks that use a pocket knife, and some want CV, and carbon steel blades that "fit" their wants, tastes and enjoyment of ownership.

They also want a dad-burn Small Pen, or Stockman, with CV / carbon blades, that is smaller than a Peanut, with nice bone, and other handle choices.

If they cannot carry what they want due to restrictions, at least they can have and use a Red Bone, or whatever else, small pen or small stockman, in pocket, while in such restrictive settings.
 
L. Richard, that's one of the finest examples of the current Red Bone that I've seen. Very nice! Congrats.

sm2, that's a song I hear far too often these days, when everything gets the "post 9/11 security" treatment. Nothing but an excuse to limit your freedoms and give other folks control. We had a huge two-week long outdoor event here and the only things they'd allow the public to bring in was "empty" water bottles. It's getting so I just don't go to public places or events much anymore...

Did you hear about the run of knives the BATF had made up that were engraved with the words, "Think Forfeiture"? What kind of mindset even conceives of such a thing? The people of this country really need to rise up and make their voices heard against this kind of (yes) tyranny, but I'm afraid it won't happen. Not unless it impacts their schedule of watching "Dancing with the Stars".

-- Sam
 
Since I don't know, and it might sound dumb, still if I don't ask I will never know-

Has the "bone" itself changed, and therefore the dye does not take as it used to?

Where I am going is, if the bone changed, then the dye, either the old dyes, or even new dyes, might not be able to "take" as they once did.

I never said I was smart.

*smile*
 
I don't know enough about the production and dyeing of bone handles to even be able to hazard a guess, but I do know that of the dyed bone handles I have, all have deep, even color and there are places where it gets slightly lighter. One is a 1960's era Case Small Texas Jack, which I really like an awful lot, and has brown bone handles with peachseed jigging. The other is a blue bone Copperhead from 2000.

I have considered buying one of the red bones, but the most of the new red bone I have seen is too bright to me. I have bid on some older ones, but haven't gotten any as yet.
 
We have lost some fine knife companies, and if some do not wise up, they will be gone as well.

I have this feeling every time I read about another person getting a brand new Queen knife with a butter-knife-like edge. :(

It breaks my heart, they don't make a Old Timer, Camillilus or even the old old Case in CV anymore with a bone handle.
We can still get a yellow handled one, either the same pattern, or similar, with a blade that will take that patina.

Case does make bone handled knives with CV. See this link.
 
mnblade, thanks for the cv link, it increases my impatience as I've been waiting for a Small T.Jack for over a week now....excited! Get a move on Mr Postman.
 
Thanks to all who have commented on my new red bone CV Peanut. I'm beginning to see why this pattern is so popular. It has the solid feel of a standard jack knife with half-stops, yet it is very light. Although it has two springs, it is only slightly wider than a single-spring Pen Knife. It is short, but the serpentine shape allows one to get a good grip on it with thumb and three fingers, and it feels good (almost unnoticeable) in the pocket.

Richard
 
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