Chris, Thanks, it will be a few years yet before the grandson gets these, I think they are about the best production knife I've seen. I hear there are not that many places you can get them, but down the road 15 miles is a select dealer. I walked in and saw the display with 16 different knives in it. I was like a kid in a candy store. The dealer even let me check em out with a mag glass. These knives are beautiful. If you get the chance look at them. I can't find much info on them though, like how many selections (are 16 it?), how often are they going to come out? stuff like that. if you hear anything about it let me know. In the meantime, I think I'll get a couple more. Thanks Dave