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I remember reaing in a thread here that the case canoe actually uses two
separate backsprings for the two blades, which makes the blades very thin.
It also eliminates the need to 'crink' the blades, making it easier to manufacture to fit, I'm sure.

I think it's a cheap way to go, and my question is:

Do current production CV CASE stockmen have 3 separate springs?
(Bonus: does a CASE congress have 4 springs??? that's just wrong)

If they do I may become an exclusive fan of Queen Cutlery.
 
Okay, good to know. I have a "tru-sharp" med stock and it has three springs.
I'm glad the CV ones are still good.
 
The current Case CV Stockman (63032CV) has two springs. It is a superb knife.
The Case Congress has four springs.

Cheers
Rod
 
I think I just posted about this on another thread, but here goes again.

All of the recent (1995 on) 64052 models that I have seen have 4 springs. I have not seen the new smaller 6468 and the new version of the 6488, so I don't know about those.

For some reason, Case only went with three backsprings on the 6347 stockman model and the little 633 model, although the 6333 may have been changed back....I have not looked at one in awhile. But all of the recent 6347's that I have seen (again, probably 1995 on) have had three springs.

They never went that route on the other stockmans, like the 6318, 63087, 6344, 6339 sowbelly, 6375...all have only been made the old way with two springs.

As another oddity, the canoe 62131 has the two backsprings, while the newer baby butterbean has the traditional single backspring design.

There are several problems with these multi-spring designs. The main problem is that in order to keep the thickness of the assembled knife within reason, the blade/backspring stock has to be thinner than on the equivalent traditional design. Otherwise, the knife becomes too bulky. Thinner blade/backspring stock means weaker blades with less cutting power, and weaker springs so not as good "walk and talk".

Compare a current Case 6347 with a Queen #9....similar 4" round bolster stock knives.....the Queen is a serious working tool, THICK blade stock, two strong springs...the Case has wimpy springs and paper-thin blade stock. And I won't even get into the differences in the blade steel.
 
knifeaholic said:
As another oddity, the canoe 62131 has the two backsprings, while the newer baby butterbean has the traditional single backspring design.
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I have a 62131 Canoe here with a single spring. (It is a 1985 knife though)

By the way, in confirmation of what you say, I have a 3 spring 6347 Stockman which clicks shut with a weak thud (weakish springs); and also a (slightly smaller) 2 spring 6318 Stockman that snaps shut like the lid on a Sherman tank.

Cheers
Rod
 
Rod;

In fact 1985 was the last year of the one-spring canoe. Does it have the "new grind" or "shoulderless grind" blades? Either way, your 1985 canoe is pretty rare, as Case was in "transition" then...financial troubles and they were not getting the knives out in quantity.
 
knifeaholic said:
klatt;

You say you have a medium stockman with three springs??? What is the model #???
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CA-6217
http://www.knivesplus.com/case-knife-stockman-ca-6217.html

It's a very nice _looking_ knife and the G10 looks much prettier than exepcted (actually has nice patterns in it) and the fit/finish is superb. I knew about the soft steel, but was surprised to see three separate springs I wanted to see what a "pretty" and "unique" case knife looked like, now I know...

Note: the blades are slightly over/under 1/16" and the springs are certainly not as stong as they should be.
 
Right...that's a "47" pattern, like the 6347 but with the G-10 handles. I was only confused because I consider the 47 to be a "large" stockman...but that's all relative I guess.
 
knifeaholic said:
Rod;

In fact 1985 was the last year of the one-spring canoe. Does it have the "new grind" or "shoulderless grind" blades? Either way, your 1985 canoe is pretty rare, as Case was in "transition" then...financial troubles and they were not getting the knives out in quantity.
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It is a normal grind...
canoe1985.jpg
 
Rod;

Hang on to that one - it's a rare one that most collectors may not appreciate yet....but in the future...


The RAREST canoe variation is the CASE XX stamp with BONE handles.....introduced in 1965 with the Case XX USA stamp, but a pilot run of (supposedly) 600 was done in 1964 with the XX stamp....super rare, and much counterfeited.
 
knifeaholic said:
Rod;

Hang on to that one - it's a rare one that most collectors may not appreciate yet....but in the future...
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Hmm.... :)
Picked that one up just a few months ago for $32.50
I'll take your advice.
 
knifeaholic said:
Right...that's a "47" pattern, like the 6347 but with the G-10 handles. I was only confused because I consider the 47 to be a "large" stockman...but that's all relative I guess.
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Well, then this is an extra-large:

Case Orange Large Stockman
Model: CA-6208
Orange G-10 Scales
http://www.newgraham.com/g_10_orange.htm
(looks like this one may have 2 springs)

:)
 
Right....as I mentioned in my post, the "75" pattern was never changed over to the 3-spring construction....it's the largest Case stockman pattern.
 
That one, and the large yellow Stockman 3375CV have two springs. Two huge strong springs, and the Yellow comes in CV steel too. Its a really chunky heavy knife 4-1/4" closed (it feels large in your hand compared with the medium Stockman), and photos on dealer's pages always make it look smaller than it really is.

Rod
 
Okay, so if I stick to CV (yellow delrin and amber bone) I am safe from the dreaded 'extra-spring' problem?

Just trying to simplify.. I can't possibly keep track of all the numbers. I'm an accumulator, not a collector ;)
 
That 4 1/4" is a monster. I hope you have big pockets ;)

I have to say though that this orange G10 is the neatest scale material I have ever seen. It has wood-like grain patterns and should be indestructible.

Why oh why did they not make the G10 series in CV (with two springs of course)? :( That would make for a very tough user, and just try to lose the darn thing!!
 
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