CAVEAT EMPTOR In Your Dealings With Eich (Kyle Eichenseer)…!

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I sent a BM 31-09 to Mr. Eichenseer for customising, and learning that a 3” blade was not a legal carry where I live, decided not to go ahead with the project. I conveyed my decision to Mr. Eichenseer, and he related that he purchased a set of files for the knife, and made several long distance phone calls. I immediately sent a PayPal of $60.00 for the files, phone calls, and shipping, believing that this was a sufficient amount…

After 6 weeks having not have received the knife or any communication from Mr. Eichenseer, I posted an inquiry in the balisong forum to see if anyone knew his whereabouts. I received several e-mails from balisong forumites informing me that they had themselves had problems with Mr. Eichenseer. I would be more than happy to elaborate if you PM me…

I started a thread on another knife related forum on July 13th , and learned that Mr. Eichenseer had some health problems, and was not online for some time. Then, Mr. Eichenseer posted a very vindictive and foul mouthed diatribe in response to my posting on the 16th of July. (I’d be happy to link anyone interested to these posts). I found the post very unbecoming of the man... I was also surprised with his claim that he purchased an “additional $150.00 for materials!!!” I replied that I would be happy to pay for any of these “additional expenses” if he would clarify what they were, and give me a breakdown of costs. I received some nasty flames and PM’s from forumites there, but no further response from Mr. Eichenseer.

I e-mailed “JW” and “L”, two forumites and acquaintances of Mr. Eichenseer, and let them know that I wanted to immediately settle this amicably with him. They both told me that they did convey this message to him. “JW” told me that he spoke to Mr. Eichenseer, and was told that the knife would be sent out. After a few weeks, I did not receive the knife, and “JW” again told me that Mr. Eichenseer sent me the knife. It is now almost 2 ½ months since Mr. Eichenseer’s post, and still no knife, although he says he “sent it out a long time ago” according to “JW”.

I would assume that Mr. Eichenseer is experienced in sending out parcels, and insures them, keeps the registration numbers for tracking, etc., etc. I’ve sent numerous e-mails to Mr. Eichenseer, and he has ignored each any every one of them. He is indeed aware of my not having had received the knife, as “JW” has told him on several occasions.

Either Mr. Eichenseer has elected to keep my knife, worth about $400, or has purposely sent it in a way as to be lost during transit. He refuses to answer my e-mails, and supply the documents needed to file a claim, if it was indeed shipped in the first place. As mentioned, other balisong forumites have related having had problems with Mr. Eichenseer. His response to my post speaks for itself…
 
Drdan,

Do you know if Kyle has healed yet? The last time Kyle posted was 07-15-2004 in response to you asking him if he was back on-line.

I know Kyle and he is not the kind of person who would do the things you wrote unless he was not healthy or someone pissed him off. Do you think maybe both conditions apply to you? Did you accurately write your side of the story, or have you sugar coated it to make yourself look better?

Kyle is an honest person and I would do business with him anytime. There are lots of other people who can vouch for his honesty and integrity. I'm sure some of them will add their posts to this thread.
 
Hi Dan :)
Where is my money #1
you still have not paid for the materials that i am out on your canceld order.

:footinmou

So either put up or shut up.
 
Dan :

odd that I find this post of yours :

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296291&highlight=EICH
you seem to state that Eich was very thorough on details.

Hmmm anyone know where I can score a nice piece of Devon Thomas Damascus for under $60 ? oh wait that was to cover the files and phone calls running down materials and such... hmm guess he was supposed to eat the cost of the Damascus ?

please refrain from emailing me anymore on this !!

John
 
Eich1911 said:
Hi Dan :)
Where is my money #1
you still have not paid for the materials that i am out on your canceld order.

:footinmou

So either put up or shut up.

Mr. Eichenseer...

Here is the thread I started, with out respective posts:
C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Usual Suspect\Usual Suspect Forums - Kyle Eich; Are You Back Online Yet1.htm

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Usual Suspect\Usual Suspect Forums - Kyle Eich; Are You Back Online Yet2.htm

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Usual Suspect\Usual Suspect Forums - Kyle Eich; Are You Back Online Yet3.htm

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Usual Suspect\Usual Suspect Forums - Kyle Eich; Are You Back Online Yet4.htm

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop\Usual Suspect\Usual Suspect Forums - Kyle Eich; Are You Back Online Yet5.htm

I sent the45guy at least six e-mails since I responded to your post in mid July, as all the e-mails sent to you were unanswered... I very clearly made it known in my forum posts and e-mails that I wanted to rectify the situation immediately. You were given word of this both by the45guy and "L" many times.

After one of my e-mails, the45guy informed me that he spoke to you, and you told him that the knife was sent out. I "bugged him" several times thereafter, being that the knife never did arrive... I was again told that the knife was sent out "a long time ago".

In my post to you in mid July, I invited you to let me know of the additional expenses incurred, since you only mentioned the files you purchased and some long distance phone calls made on my behalf, when I informed you that I would not be going ahead with the project. You never answered my post, and the45guy never conveyed any messages from you. I find it highly unusual that you would not have mentioned the additional expenses when I decided not to go ahead with the project...

Nevertheless, I am, and have always been interested in handling this matter copacetically, as my posts and e-mails overwhelming indicate.

Please tell me what I owe you, and for what, Mr. Eichenseer... You may post it here, and I will pay you within 10 minutes of reading the post. I would ask you to send the parcel, and any materials paid for to a knifemaker in the U.S., if that is acceptable to you. I would ask you to insure the package, and supply me with the routing number also.

I don't understand why I've been e-mailing you and the45guy for the last 2 1/2 months for information about my knife, having been told several times by the45guy that my knife had indeed been sent out. Why did you ignore my numerous e-mails, and messages conveyed by both the45guy, and "L"?

Thanks for your response here, and let's resolve the matter ASAP... :)

Dan
 
the45guy...

John, Mr. Eichenseer was very throrough in every way, excepting in answering
my e-mails. The problem might have been related to his illness; I had no knowledge that he was ill until mid July...

No one had ever mentioned that some Devon Thomas damascus steel was purchased. I sent an e-mail to Mr. Eichenseer letting him know that I decided not to go ahead with the project. Mr. Eichenseer was a bit dismayed, and in his e-mail said he purchased some files and made several long distance phone calls. He made not mention of damascus steel having had been purchased on my behalf, and I was not informed by you, "L" or others that it was. You said you think he might have purchased some. I asked for a clarification, but one was not given...

Someone was outright lying saying that the knife was sent out; either Mr. Eichenesser or you...

As soon as I have some coherent clarification of what I owe, the money will immediately be fowarded, as I said I would do 2 1/2 months ago. I don't expect anyone to eat any damascus. Tell me what I owe, and it will be paid immediately as stated many times. My July post is very clear on this. I would only ask that this is included in the parcel when it is sent out...

You willl not receive anymore e-mails pertaining to this matter; indeed thank you very much for your mediation in this matter. I still don't understand why you told me that Mr. Eichenseer sent out the knife several times! :confused:

Off to meet Morpheus now; the funds can be sent out within 8 hours...
 
I have not seen it mentioned here, but Kyle should not just be sending out the knife once he gets paid. Once Dan has paid for the files and materials they are his and should be shipped to him as well.

I do not personally know Kyle other than what I have gleaned from the forums over the years, but one thing that I do know is that his reputation is stellar. Not knowing what the purported problems were with the members of the balisong forum, I do not know if these problems are with Kyle or with the afore mentioned balisong members.

It looks to me like both the parties involved here are willing to do the right thing. Now it just has to get done.
 
Drdan said:
Someone was outright lying saying that the knife was sent out; either Mr. Eichenesser or you......

yeah whatever bro .... just do me a favor and leave me out of this. Too call me a liar is BS , I should never have replied to your first email.

Someone tries to help you and call em a liar , smooth move exlax . :rolleyes:
 
the45guy said:
yeah whatever bro .... just do me a favor and leave me out of this. Too call me a liar is BS , I should never have replied to your first email.

Someone tries to help you and call em a liar , smooth move exlax . :rolleyes:

Good morning, John...

You related my messages to Mr. Eichenseer after July 16, and I thank you for that. If Mr. Eichenseer on several occasions intimated that he had sent the knife out, then obviously he misrepresented the truth, not you. :p

I am waiting for Mr. Eichenseer to let me know what he feels I owe him for any additional materials. I invite him to post the sum here for all to see. I will then PayPal him the funds, and furnish him with an address in the U.S. where the knife and damascus can be sent.

I clearly asked for a clarification of the additional expenses on my post in mid July, and never received it. I trust that today I will, and can immediately resolve this misunderstanding.

Thanks again for your assistance, John. :)
 
the45guy said:
Dan : Hmmm anyone know where I can score a nice piece of Devon Thomas Damascus for under $60 ? oh wait that was to cover the files and phone calls running down materials and such... hmm guess he was supposed to eat the cost of the Damascus ?

I'm well aware of the cost of damascus steel, John. Delbert Ealy is presently forging me a 24" length of it. :eek: Mr. Eichenseer and myself discussed using damascus to fashion a balisong latch and belt clip. He was to have seen if you could procure some small pieces for the project. He never informed that he had...

As soon as I receive word pertaining to the cost of this damascus, I will send Mr. Eichenseer the funds by PayPal. The ABS knifemaker who will be receiving the parcel will surely put the supplies to good use. ;)
 
I do not know either party but my feeling is when something like this is posted to GB&U the posting party is looking for public resolution. The person is not trying to warn others about a person's character but rather trying to resolve an issue by using a public forum.

For that reason I would expect BOTH parties to outline their grievance on the public forum and review the advice given by the other members. Toward that end Dan has given what appears to be a very good outline of his grievance whereas "Eich" has done nothing but demand money without any explanation as to what the costs are.

If this is to be resolved in a reasonable manner I would expect "Eich" to outline his side of the story and provide the reasons behind not returning the knife to Dan.

Silence on Eich's part only indicates his guilt to me....JC III
 
jsciii...

Thanks for your post. I truly want to resolve this ASAP, and am only waiting for a response from Mr. Eichenseer. I have no problems coming up with the $150.00 "ransom". :rolleyes:

Up until now, I have no idea what these "additional supplies" might be. :confused: If Mr. Eichenseer was less nebulous, and clearly stated what the $150.00 represented (it can't possibly be just damascus), I'd pay it immediately, but would of course, expect to receive my knife in a few days...
 
Weird post.

I sent a Sebenza and some money to Kyle several months ago for a flame job. What I recieved was an outstanding heat treat and clear communications the whole way through. I would do it again. :)

Barry H
 
Eich1911 said:
Hi Dan :)
Where is my money #1
you still have not paid for the materials that i am out on your canceld order.

:footinmou

So either put up or shut up.

Eich... You were PayPa'd on September 28. Where's my knife and "supplies"?
 
Drdan said:
Eich... You were PayPa'd on September 28. Where's my knife and "supplies"?
Again, no mention of the email from Kyle about the shipping number. :rolleyes:
 
copfish said:
Again, no mention of the email from Kyle about the shipping number. :rolleyes:

I haven't received an e-mail from Kyle since late May, and am not privy to any information concerning a shipping number. I sent him three e-mails since I PayPal'd on September 28 th, including his new e-mail address, and have had no reply. I'd appreciate any input you have as to the whereabouts of the knife... ;)
 
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