Celluloid, I need it! Lemme see your's...

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As a kid I always loved the celluloid handles on some of the traditionals out there. I've been very pickie about it but have acquired a couple. The first was a Krusius "Cracked Ice" Jack. I actually bought it as a gift for my brother but it turns out he wanted something else I had so I kept it. Works for both of us. The second is a Fight'n Rooster Canoe, my current favorite traditional. So here are mine:

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Now let me see some of your's.
 
very nice knives fellers,I dont have any I am scared of them last time I had a few I kept em in the garage away from my knives and firearms
 
I can hardly wait to see all the beauties you all have!! I am going to sit back with some popcorn and enjoy this thread!!

Arathol
I don't know exactly why but I've coveted a Purina for some time. All your knives a just beautiful


Top: New York Knife Co. Walden Hammer Brand
Bottom: Cattaraugus Cutlery Co. Little Valley

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Only one, this little Eye Brand Congress:

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The listing said celluloid, I've read elsewhere that it's acrylic. I love the look of cell, especially the Fightin Rooster End of Day handles, but it makes me nervous and won't store it with my other knives.
 
I hear that. That's what took me so long to buy the ones I have. I don't believe they are real celluloid, but maybe acrylic or something of the like.
 
Imperial, Richards, Ulster, Imperial, Cornwall, Imperial
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I have many more that I will share tomorrow
 
This is all new to me. I take it that celluloid is, shall we say, unstable?

[video=youtube;z8rYotiiFP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8rYotiiFP8[/video]

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These aren't my photos but I think this is an example of the type of damage that commonly occurs when celluloid starts to deteriorate.

I think this seller polished over it and using bright lighting to deceive ...but he/she does give a clear photo of the blade and it's possible that the seller doesn't know that it is caused by the breakdown of the celluloid... or hopes that the buyer doesn't. I actually used to think that these old Winchesters had acrylic covers but someone gave me a learnin'.

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Ok, here's a few...

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Glenn
 
This is all new to me. I take it that celluloid is, shall we say, unstable?

[video=youtube;z8rYotiiFP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8rYotiiFP8[/video]

~ P.

Depends. The more fillers, the more stable. I have a black Rem pen that is as good as when it was made. I have had more than a couple MOTS ones disintegrate.

In fact, I let one go in a blaze of glory. It was a hole filler- a "MOP" Scout, and in awful shape. Sharpened with a concrete block, wobbled all over, cell breaking down. Gladly I only gave a buck for it, years ago. Well, I grabbed an iron skillet, cranked the exhaust fan, propped it on 2 skewers and slid a lit match underneath.

It burned like a highway flare. Hot and FAST. It was out and done in under a minute.
 
Celluloid has a fascinating history as one of the earliest plastics, with a chemistry just slightly removed from gun cotton. As Sword and Shield mentioned, it seems that the cell that has the most fillers is the most stable, the least stable being clear (used in advertising knives like we would see Lexan today), and I've read that the "Christmas tree" colors (lots of metal flakes) are the least. Ultimately though it depends on who made it, the exact balance of the chemistry (nitric acid, cellulose fiber etc.), how long it was cured etc.

Here's a fascinating article I found linked somewhere here:

http://www.oregonknifeclub.org/celluloid_02.html

When I was a photography student I always wondered why the film we used was called "safety film", being made out of cellulose acetate. Original motion picture film made from cellulose nitrate was so flammable that projection booths had quite a bit of fire suppressing equipment installed because the original projectors used lighting sources that created a lot of heat. Once cellulose nitrate starts burning it doesn't want to stop as it creates its own oxygen.

Decomposing celluloid (nitrate) destroys the knife because of the release of nitric acid. It's unfortunate that something that is unstable can also be so beautiful, I have yet to see handles in acrylic or other plastic that look as terrific as celluloid.

Also, I know guitar players that will only use celluloid (Fender tortoise) picks, they 'sound' different than other materials. As a lousy guitar player I don't know, but I do know that the Fender picks are extremely flammable...
 
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This one must be at least 30yo -what is the timeframe for cellulose breakdown?
 
This Pavian is from 1910-20. The celluloid is still very stable.
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I'm hoping someone posts more Fightin' Roosters, they are fantastic! Not a day goes by that I am itching to buy an End of Day handled FnR. The question I have, is since the End of Day has so many different patterns (supposedly because they're made with scraps of celluloid left over at the end of the day) is the cell more or less stable? FnR made them awhile ago, has anyone had any trouble with them?
 
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