CG NMFBM use and wear - expectations too high?

zachariusdominus

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Awaiting my first Busse purchase - a TGLB and AMS - I picked up a NMFBM from a forum member, making it my first Busse. It came to be with a beautiful, unscathed finish which I had to fix.

I hacked some wood, threw it at a wooden backstop 8-10 times, and tried to slice through a couple #10 cans. I had done this with the assumption that INFI doesn't chip, atleast under these conditions. It chipped. One throw bounced into some masonary and the #10 cans took a toll as well. Hopefully these pictures are good enough quality.

http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/zachariusdominus/library/

One of the slabs has shifted a bit as well. Anwyway, is this normal wear? I didn't expect the #10 cans to put up any challenge as My SOG machete and Cold Steel Rifleman's Hawks take them with no complaint.

Thanks for any input.
 
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Welcome zacharius:)

I cant tell from pics if there is any chipping without a much closer view. Infi is an extremely tough steel but its still not indestructible. One of its best traits is that its malleable so it will roll before chipping in most cases, and at the same time holds an edge extremely well for a steel that is soft enough to still move without easily chipping.

Throwing knives creates a ton of force and momentum. I have also bent tube fasteners on my FBM from throwing it and it hitting on the butt which sank into the tree allowing the slabs themselves to hit the tree hard. I still use mine cause I feel like its a badge of honor. Now, the good part is that its not a catastrophic failure and still very capable of getting me through a many camping trips since. Unlike many other knife companies that state you warranty would have been nullified by such abuse your NMFBM is still covered.
 
I think some of the newer (to the Busse family of knives) people are reading all the posts older hogs make comparing Infi to adamantium, and assuming it's an indestructible steel. Infi does seem to be a very chip-resistant steel, but all steels can incur edge damage under certain circumstances. The detail on your images makes it difficult to tell if they are rolls or chips, but from what I can see, none are above the bevel line, or even that close to it. At that size, they will likely sharpen right out. Fortunately, what you're buying with your knife is a transferable, unconditional warranty; and if there actually was a problem with the heat treat, or even if your blade just suffered user-induced destruction, the company will likely remedy the situation free of charge. Stick to using the knife for chopping wood, and the blade will likely outlive you. Hope you like the TGLB--most people do =)
 
Anything harder than the steel is going to do something to it if there's an impact. As said already, infi is much more likely to roll, dent or, in worst case, tear, rather than chip.

I hammered the thinned-out edge of my Heavy Heart into a dense, hard sandstone. Why? Because I was drunk, the only light was from a campfire, and I thought I had hit a knot in the log that I was batoning, forgetting completely about the rock it was leaning against.

You can bet that after hammering it (with another log) several times as hard as I could, the edge was dented. The sandstone came off worse though. Note: Dented - not chipped, even when hammered into something probably a lot harder than the steel itself.

I once bought a knife described as 'as new, unused' that had what at first glance looked like several chips out of the edge, a bit like your photos look. As if it had been used to chop hardened piano wire. Closer inspection showed that the infi had basically been pushed sideways, not chipped at all. I carefully steeled the blade on a hardened screwdriver shaft for ten minutes, lightly ground it a little on SiC paper to really smooth it out, then stropped it. The 'chips' were pushed back into place and I still use the knife with that edge. I can push cut paper with any part of the edge including where the damage was, which is now not even visible.

Anyway, you are covered under the warranty, so no worries!
 
Busse simply are not what they are hyped up to be, add in the price of infi and you are bound to be dissapointed. nuclear marketing combined with the amount of self assuring hype and "my knife is the best and better" = busse nuclear letdowns. esp. after you pay incrdible money for a poorly sharpened slab of steel with weakly attached micarta scales.
 
Busse nuclear letdown? You might get some interesting comments to follow. Personally I think you are wrong, but each to his own.
 
If you want to throw your knife, buy throwing knives. Plain and simple. Properly designed throwing knives will take the immense forces of throwing much better and cost a lot less money, not to mention you won't be abusing a beautiful and expensive knife by making it do something it wasn't made to do. Throwing knives are made of carbon steel meant to flex and bend, not to cut. That's the problem you run into when you throw a knife that is made for cutting, not throwing.

For example, you don't use a new Corvette to pull tree stumps. You use a big machine to grind them out. Proper tools for the job, even if the job is just throwing a knife.
 
Busse simply are not what they are hyped up to be, add in the price of infi and you are bound to be dissapointed. nuclear marketing combined with the amount of self assuring hype and "my knife is the best and better" = busse nuclear letdowns. esp. after you pay incrdible money for a poorly sharpened slab of steel with weakly attached micarta scales.
You fail Vandamage. That is all.
 
I throw all of my busses and yes, I have bent the handle fasteners from time to time. However, I"ve been throwing knives for about 20+ years now and have NEVER been able to punish a knife without it either bending or totally snapping in half the way I have my Busses. I've purchased some other very expensive production knives and have yet to find something comparable to Busse. That being said, the other day I was working in the yard and chopping brush when I hit a bolder dead on. It did knock down the edge a lil bit where it hit but there also was a nice divit in the bolder :). It later sharpened out in no time. To each his own, if you don't like 'em don't buy 'em, more infi for me :D!
 
The NMFBM isn't a throwing knife, hibben makes some good throwing knives, I think there like 15 bucks.
 
Busse simply are not what they are hyped up to be, add in the price of infi and you are bound to be dissapointed. nuclear marketing combined with the amount of self assuring hype and "my knife is the best and better" = busse nuclear letdowns. esp. after you pay incrdible money for a poorly sharpened slab of steel with weakly attached micarta scales.

After looking at a few of your other posts you obviously have issues with Busse knives, care to elaborate on that and why your so butt hurt over them ?

If " INFI " is to expensive for you that's fine but don't put Busse Combat Knife Co. down because you can't or choose not to afford it. Have you ever even owned a Busse knife ?

One last thing, in one of your threads you mentioned how you " loved " your Swamprat knife ( can't remember which model nor do I care ) you do realize that Swamprat uses the same " weak method " of attaching handle scales as Busse does don't you ?
 
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Busse simply are not what they are hyped up to be, add in the price of infi and you are bound to be dissapointed. nuclear marketing combined with the amount of self assuring hype and "my knife is the best and better" = busse nuclear letdowns. esp. after you pay incrdible money for a poorly sharpened slab of steel with weakly attached micarta scales.

Still whining..............
 
Busse simply are not what they are hyped up to be, add in the price of infi and you are bound to be dissapointed. nuclear marketing combined with the amount of self assuring hype and "my knife is the best and better" = busse nuclear letdowns. esp. after you pay incrdible money for a poorly sharpened slab of steel with weakly attached micarta scales.

Very strong statements from someone who up until recently didn't know that 1095 is spring steel...
 
From the pics and the sage coating gouged all the way through.... I can tell you from experience that you put that NMFBM though a tough work out. Sage is hard to gouge like that, and I'd say your edge looks normal for the workout you gave it. INFI is not indestructable, and can be damaged. That edge can be easily cleaned up... I thought I was gonna see a real "chip":eek::D Those are just Love marks.
 
Busse are too expensive period, not just for my budget but for what you get, Yes the swamprat handles arnt as strong as they could and should be. And it gets alittle confusing beings people refer to one steel as 5160 ex. spring steel, high carbon steel,high carbon alloy, low carbon steel. chromium steel. Though I dont remember ever saying 1095 wasnt a spring steel or denying it or asking if it was it has nothing to do with my statement here. But might as well ignore my point and get defensive.
 
Hi Zach, welcome to Busse. The pics you have taken I have looked at in detail and here are my thoughts on your query.

When you get a Busse from the shop the edge applied is likely done on a belt sander at pretty high speed - back in the day when the edges were not as sharp as you might expect it was noticed by a few of us that after a few sharpenings the quality of the edge improved a lot - meaning that the initial edge if done at high speed might have had a bit of heat in it and is not as tough as the edge you get after sharpening it yourself. Heat can do this. You need to keep the edge as cold as you can by dipping the knife in water and applying your own angles of preference on a belt sander to obtain the optimum level of performance.

Secondly, to work infi to its proper intent you are likely to strike stones or rocks even if you are chopping wood - particularly if chopping down trees when getting to the roots and striking near the soil. The "dinks" you get in the blade are able to be steeled out. The best tool for the job is a long shafted screw driver. You don't want to use a chef's steel or anything which removes metal. What you want is a hardened round shaft which can re-align the dinks into a straight line to enable you to retain the metal on the edge and sharpen it back up.

Essentially what you have on your edge can be remedied by doing this. The gaps in the edge are minor and will disappear with sharpening back up - so long as the rolls in the edge are straightened out.

The problem with the grips moving from throwning the knife can be resolved by drilling out the tube fasterners and realigning the grips properly and using new grip fasteners. Solid grip fasteners will be stronger. If this is a bit beyond your skills send the knife back in to have this done or a new set of tube fasteners added.

I don't throw my NMFBM - but I do use it hard.



Like you I got a CG NMFBM which I stripped and applied my own fully convex edge to. The edge was applied carefully and taken to a 15 degree either side back bevel with a 20 degree either side primary bevel then convexed in to a seemless convex curve.

After a lot of experimenting with Infi and trying different edges this works the best on non asymetrical grinds on the larger knives designed for hard use.

I took down the whole of this enclosure using my NMFBM and had no issues with edge once I had applied my own edge to the above specs.



Infi is a steel which suits knives used for chopping. The right edge will last a long time and be able to be stropped back to razor sharp comparatively easily allowing for the toughness of the steel. It is a the best I have come across for these uses and I have many thousands of dollars or pounds invested in knives - all of which have been used and tested. It is not however beyond the laws of physics - stones which are harder than the steel will affect the edge - the beauty of the steel is the ability to easily repair the edge and carry on.

You need to develop sharpening skills and have the right bits of gear to do this but if you upgrade to Gold membership and use the search engine and look at the posts from myself and others on the reviews and sharpening threads you will quickly get the hang of things.

Cutting through wire and fencing is a lot to do with the angle you strike it at and how hard you do it. Experiment by gently batonning to create "V" cuts in the wire which remove metal from it and deepen the "V" gradually - particularly if the fencing/wire is new. In my case this was old - and the knife could go through it like butter - but you need to learn what is doable and how to do it.

I live up on the moors of the UK in the Pennine Mountains and there are not many trees. If I were cut off and needed to make a fire a fence post is likely my only option. I would rather re-imburse the farmer for the fencing than worry about hypothermia - but to tackle a job like that I have practised what needs to be done carefully.

Hard use of a knife needs to be with some purpose - I would'nt just throw your NMFBM around a lot for fun. The Noss tests show how Infi can take punishment but to me they simply give me an indication of what the limits of the knife are. I prefer to work around those limits so that I can do what needs to be done with the knife if hard use is needed without wrecking the blade.

As for the guys who give negative comments like Van Damage - if they stump up the cash for the knives they want to criticise and do some decent reviews - then fine - they have a point. I have done a lot of testing and reviews on all sorts of alternative knives and on Busse's and you can check my findings if you do the upgrade. I would'nt recommend them if there was something better.
 
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Busse simply are not what they are hyped up to be, add in the price of infi and you are bound to be dissapointed. nuclear marketing combined with the amount of self assuring hype and "my knife is the best and better" = busse nuclear letdowns. esp. after you pay incrdible money for a poorly sharpened slab of steel with weakly attached micarta scales.

Checked a lot of your other posts on BF , and oh boy you sure complain and whine a lot .
 
Busse are too expensive blah blah blah...

I think you should sell your Busses (you could probably get all of your money back), and get something else.
Even though the folks in this forum love them, they are obviously not the knife for you.
 
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Busse simply are not what they are hyped up to be, add in the price of infi and you are bound to be dissapointed. nuclear marketing combined with the amount of self assuring hype and "my knife is the best and better" = busse nuclear letdowns. esp. after you pay incrdible money for a poorly sharpened slab of steel with weakly attached micarta scales.

Coming from one that has run his mouth off whenever he has the opportunity doesn't surprise me that you make such ignorant statements. Go get any knife from any maker you like and try to do anything that has been done in this thread here. THen when it fails and shows you just how ignorant you are see if said company of any other maker will warrant it:p

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/772715-Proof-Of-Busse-(and-Kin)-Superiority
 
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