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These 4 knives in the picture cost me less than $30 -
that's for all 4 shipped - and one came all the way from China.

Maybe this could be titled: trying to make silk purses -

but perhaps these aren't quite the sow's ears one might think......

By its very nature this review will be incomplete -
not just because I am dealing with 4 knives -
but there may be questions that I haven't thought of addressing -
yet.

Sizes:

before shipping these were under $6 a piece -
so as anyone would figure those cannot possibly be real mother of pearl...
and the other probably would not fool anyone to thinking it's abalone shell.

But with the rainbow anodized titanium oxide -
they are attractive little knives.

Brand Tac-Force - not sure if they are affiliated (or not) with Tac-Force the tactical equipment company.

Model TF660 - (WP for white pearl and AB for abalone)

"USA Design - handmade in China" is the claim
440 stainless steel (which probably is 440A - but as I said elsewhere I like 440A for general purpose using knives.)

They are "Speedster" models -
ie: spring assisted openers - and they open very quickly and positively.

The TF660 is a framelock -

both my samples lock-up very well.

Moving right along....

This is the TF573C - "Executive" with mirror polished blade and handle -
same 440 blade steel, and same design claim as above.

This is another "Speedstar" model - again quick and positive spring assisted opening

Again a framelock -

again locks up well.

These look nice and the actions are nice - the only aspect that let them down were the sharpness - just so-so -
barely cut paper - and under the microscope the edges were not first rate:

TF660AB (rainbow) -




TF660WP




Theses are not clean edges - they will cut but not that well...

Of course I took them to the Work Sharp Knife & Tool Sharpener - Ken Onion Edition (link to review)

Now look at them -

TF660AB




TF660WP




Yes, they are now very sharp and will cut through well.

Last, but not least...


This is called a "FZT" -
and despite the marking on the blade - I don't think I was fooled even for an instant into thinking it was a "Zero Tolerance" - or even knock off -
the knife is medium/small - the handle is carved Zytel - and it's a liner-lock - but I like the looks.

The listing on the well known auction site did not specify the steel other than stainless - I merely liked the looks and won it on a bid at $8.50 shipped from Guang Dong, China
(it's the neighboring province to Hong Kong - so my tracking number was HK)

It's a flipper and opens well even though it may seem slow compared to the IKBS ball bearing flippers from CRKT - but the opening is positive and reliable


liner locks up well -
although this is one of the softest/gentlest liners I have encountered so the unlocking is very easy and smooth.
Yes, I suspected that this might be a sub-par liner-lock because of the "softness" - but the knife passes the spine whack test fine - I have also tried various ways to try to make the lock fail -
it does not.

Now in retrospect if they can manage to make a liner that is that gentle and easy to unlock - but does not fail - why can't everyone else? -
I have some liner-locks that seem to bite into the blade heel - and I wear a dent and even a notch in my thumb-nail closing those.....

Provided this liner-lock does not fail - this is the "best" liner-lock I have encountered
and on a $8.50 knife!!!

Edge and sharpness?

I was shocked by the edge -
FZT original edge -




Visually under the microscope the edge seems to be rough......

BUT -surprise #2! -
this was one of the SHARPEST blades straight out of the box -
it seem to bite into every and anything....

Most of that wide bevel we see is the transition bevel to the face
and the actual cutting edge is only a micro-bevel -

That transition bevel is very acute -
less than 20deg/side -

how do I know this?

I still took the blade to my Work Sharp Knife & Tool Sharpener - Ken Onion Edition
the native angle of the belt is 17.5deg to the vertical and allowing for the belt flex and convex grind -
holding the blade vertically would give approx 20 deg/side at the very edge -

The edge after sharpening using usb microscope at approx ~110x




See that?

The transition bevel to the face is hardly touched - so it has to be more acute ie: less than 20 deg/side
and the only polishing was to the micro bevel edge....

The blade remains astonishingly sharp after the sharpening -
so I did not mess it up :o

The sharpness and cutting ability is because that acute transition bevel makes the blade very thin just behind the edge -
again another lesson to be learned from a cheap knife.

That's enough for now.....

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I love your reviews, Vincent - the pics, the descriptors, . . . everything. More please, including more SAK reviews. You rock.
 
I love your reviews, Vincent - the pics, the descriptors, . . . everything. More please, including more SAK reviews. You rock.

WoW!

Thanks powernoodle, your Imperial Magistrate...
good to see you out of your secret underground bunker....

I now use the SAK - Victorinox Spartan for all my knife size comparisons -
as I think it's mandatory to own at least one SAK to be a member of BladeForums.

I still carry the exact same EDC SAK - since Feb/1993 (almost 21 year anniversary!!!):
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Not exactly cheap -
but SAKs are amazing value for money -
the Vic Spartan used for my size comparisons can be found for under $20 shipped -

Even the all-singing-all-dancing Victorinox SwissChamp
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is still less than $50 shipped if you diligently shop around.....

Here are a couple of my old SAK threads -

Minimalist SAKs

SAK - Purchase Rationale

Thanks,

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Details of Tac-Force TF660-WP and AB

Portraits ;)




Sizes closed -




The spring assisted opening of the TF660AB (faux abalone) is outstanding - opens with a snap and authority.

The TF660WP (faux MoP) is still OK but in comparison does not have such snap -
and I have found very occasionally it will hang -
mainly because the flipper is a bit uncomfortable (at least for repeated obsessive opening :o)
and the initial opening is a bit stiff/sticktion, so that the blade does not quite reach the critical point where the spring opens it fully.
Anyway mostly it is fine - just not as good in comparison.

Problem -
TF660WP had rust spots on the steel liner:

The lighting is such that it is difficult see the corrosion does extend to inside on the liner.

Disassembled -

I have not taken it apart further, but from what I can see this looks pretty competent.

I merely used Brasso metal polish to try to polish out the rust -
but it was pretty well pitted - so I got rid of the surface rust and left the black markings/"patina" as that should not easily rust further.
Reassembly was a bit tricky as the assist spring has to be placed in the hole in the blade tang, while also lining up the pivot and the stop-pin.

The TF660WP blade was not that well centered in the handle - even after reassembly I was not able to get the blade centered - at least allowing the spring assisted opening to work properly.

If anyone has a sure fired method of centering the blade in the handle while allowing pivot tension adjustment - please let me know or point me to the appropriate page? Thanks.

However this is only bothersome for an obsessive -
as the blade does not touch anything in the handle -


The faux abalone TF660AB is fine -


Notice the double liner on the non-lock side?

This is a more efficient/economical way of making room for the assist mechanism/spring -
instead of machining out space - just use another liner with appropriate holes cut out - pretty smart.

I noticed a knife that looks the same as the TF660WP -
it is a Mil-Spec brand model 8340WT
the listing says the same 440 steel -
BUT the photo of the blade says "1065 surgical steel" -
which has to be an oxymoron - as "surgical steels" have to stainless and 1065 is a plain carbon steel -
so highly likely to be a misnomer.
I just won one for all of $6.11 shipped
- I'll report back to what that's like in comparison.

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I wondered what sort of spring they used in these. I've never seen one disassembled and never owned one, myself. Looks like a Kershaw style torsion bar. The dual liner idea is interesting, too. Thanks for the pics, VT. :thumbup:
 
Chris "Anagarika";13080993 said:
WoW! Thank you! Chris - this is unbelievable - it worked -


This is so good I'll have to quote it here with the correct attribution from thread - 10-16-2010, 08:42 AM

.... This is centering method I've tried on some other knives. I think it's worth it to give it a try.

1. With the knife closed, wedge a folded piece of paper between the blade and the side of the knife that you wan the blade to move away from.

2. Loosen the pivot screws and the other scale screws. Don't take the screws out, just loosen them.

3. Tighten up the screws without taking out the paper wedge.

4. Adjust pivot to desired tightness.

I hope this works for you.

It's so simple and it worked.

Thank you so much Chris for telling me about that thread,
and to singularity35 for the simple solution.

A side benefit from doing this is I found out why this TF660WP had initial "sticktion" that caused the very occasional opening hang.

Using the method above to center the blade I found when closed the blade seemed to sit higher in the handle -
but if I pushed more the blade will then seat in properly.

Eventually I figured out it was the resistance between the flipper and the stop-pin -

I thought of perhaps dismantling the knife and filing the flipper in that area - but being lazy instead, I just oiled it
and the blade now seats in fine, and not only that, the initial resistance/"sticktion" feel is now gone -

Way to go - solving two problems in one......

Thank you so much, gentlemen:thumbup::thumbup:!

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It's so simple and it worked.

Thank you so much Chris for telling me about that thread,
and to singularity35 for the simple solution.

Yes, it does work....
But with this spring assisted opening knife has a very strong action, the blade tang really hits the stop-pin,
so eventually the blade migrates back to what I assume is its natural position of being off-center -
fortunately not making any contact with the scales.

I can realign it by the simple method - but after a while the blade will go back to being off-center.

However I have learnt a few things - the tension of each of the screws can make a difference to the way the blade centers/seats.
On this particular knife the scale screws are far away from the pivot -
TF660WPbCls140113_zps494d670a.jpg

which may make alignment more difficult, if it is "naturally" off-center.

Using the paper wedge method, once I remove the wedge I can see the centering moves as I tighten the pivot screw. I can get the blade exactly centered - BUT it won't open!
Backing off by fractions of a turn I can get the blade to open, then it is very slightly off-center - but close enough I don't mind.

But like I said, it will eventually migrate back to being noticeably off-center -
but not making any contact with the scales - so I have to accept this -
after all it is merely a <$6 knife!!!

The faux abalone might not fool anyone -
but it is attractive in its own way (it has a sort of fire opal look) -


The fake mother of pearl looks nicer to my eyes -
but this may be just because there is a lot of imitation pearl out there, like guitar pick guards etc, and I am used to it -


Even though the scales are mirror polished before the rainbow anodized titanium oxide -
the blade strangely is not - instead it is a "grooved" satin finish - and two toned at that, where part of the blade is left as bare steel -
seems to be a fairly involved process for such a cheap knife -


Another thing I should mention is after sharpening on the Work Sharp Knife & Tool Sharpener - Ken Onion Edition the blade(s) no longer have that obvious thickening toward the edge so common on hollow ground blades - the thickening is now very slight - and this makes these blades (after sharpening) really cut through well - superior to most factory blades - <$6!!

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I noticed a knife that looks the same as the TF660WP -
it is a Mil-Spec brand model 8340WT
the listing says the same 440 steel -
BUT the photo of the blade says "1065 surgical steel" -
which has to be an oxymoron - as "surgical steels" have to stainless and 1065 is a plain carbon steel -
so highly likely to be a misnomer.
I just won one for all of $6.11 shipped
- I'll report back to what that's like in comparison.

This Mil-Spec 8340WT arrived -

Other than sample variations and the obvious marking differences
- these seem identical to me -






Blade markings -


"1065 Surgical Steel"


This Mil-Spec 8340WT has a defect -
there is a noticeable gouge/chip out of the fake pearl -

I am in communications with the vendor about this.

Some may have noticed the fake pearl on the Mil-Spec 8340WT seems duller, most noticeable in the last pic -
it's because the finish is matte/unpolished -
to be fair both the Tac-Force TF660WP and AB came that way too.

I merely polished the Tac-Force with car polish (Nu Finish)
and they polished up a treat -
I thought that improved the looks enormously.

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Not a huge fan of that clip setup they use. "clip-toris" comes to mind..with the ball thingy sticking up..I hope I can say that here. Besides that, for $6- $8 and no crying if you lose one? Heck yeah, nothing wrong with that.
 
Not a huge fan of that clip setup they use. "clip-toris" comes to mind..with the ball thingy sticking up..I hope I can say that here. Besides that, for $6- $8 and no crying if you lose one? Heck yeah, nothing wrong with that.
Can't say I found anything remarkable about the clip -
just seems functional to me.



Although should note the thumb-stud on the clip side does impede slightly.
Seem to always have to be aware of it and make adjustments.

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This Mil-Spec 8340WT has a defect -
there is a noticeable gouge/chip out of the fake pearl -
...
I am in communications with the vendor about this.

The vendor was good - offering to refund and pay for the return shipping -
I suggested they just send me a replacement scale insert -
- it has arrived - I polished it with car polish (Nu Finish) and installed it:

left: Mil-Spec 8340WT; right: Tac-Force TF660WP



yes, of course I sharpened the Mil-Spec 8340WT with the Work Sharp Knife & Tool Sharpener - Ken Onion Edition (link to review)

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Vincent, how long does it usually take to receive a shipment from China?
Normally between 2-3 weeks.

I have had things delivered as quickly as 5 days
and some have never arrived -
some eBay sellers have a table of estimated arrival times -

and normally after 30 days the good ones will offer to refund or re-ship.

eBay actually has a pretty good buyers protection.

That FZT knife was shipped from Hong Kong -
bought on Dec/18/2013
first shipping track scan wasn't until Dec/23
delivered Jan/10

Should note the Tac-Force and Mil-Spec knives were from US vendors.

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I heard that the lengthy wait times from China is something that happened recently, and it has something to do with the Chinese Customs? Do you know anything about this?
 
I heard that the lengthy wait times from China is something that happened recently, and it has something to do with the Chinese Customs? Do you know anything about this?

Sorry - don't know -
some vendors sometimes do put in expected delays -
for example the FZT knife listing had:
Christmas Eve ,the shipping is very busying !
So the shipping time needs about 20-- 30 days !
After Christmas, Shipping time is need about 9-19 days.

BTW - Chinese New Year is Jan/31/2014 -
that definitely can cause delays

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Good review, thanks for posting. I'm a big fan of inexpensive assisted opening knives. I think Tac-Force knives are well worth the money, and I have several different models of them. The assisted opening on mine is faster than my kershaw or gerber knives that cost far more and they arrived very sharp. I can't vouch for edge retention as I haven't cut much with them (I mainly use them to open up more packages of knives as they arrive in the mail).

Another inexpensive brand I'm a fan of is Mtech. They have some really cool designs and claim to use 440C steel on most of their knives. Their assisted opening isn't as lightning quick but still locks up solid. Very sharp blade on the one I was using to wrap christmas present. I didn't even use scissors lol.
 
I'm a big fan of inexpensive assisted opening knives. I think Tac-Force knives are well worth the money, and I have several different models of them. The assisted opening on mine is faster than my kershaw or gerber knives that cost far more and they arrived very sharp. I can't vouch for edge retention as I haven't cut much with them (I mainly use them to open up more packages of knives as they arrive in the mail).

Another inexpensive brand I'm a fan of is Mtech. They have some really cool designs and claim to use 440C steel on most of their knives. Their assisted opening isn't as lightning quick but still locks up solid. Very sharp blade on the one I was using to wrap christmas present. I didn't even use scissors lol.

Thanks for the input - please share which models you are particularly impressed with.

Speaking of MTech - please see:

Review - Stunning Looking Knives - MTech Ballistic MT-A822 RB & GY

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I've been loving the Mtech 800TN lately. I also have a couple of the mt-a820s in different colors, they look cool and have a massive blade that opens with a mighty thwack. I did find your other review after I commented on this one, and I ordered me a gold flame version :).
 
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