Cheated on my ZT 0801 with an Asian beauty, now I may have to get divorced

evilgreg

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I wasn't trying to hurt my relationship with my ZT 0801 when I bought a Kizer ki4423, but somehow things just happened:

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I bought the knife because my other Kizers have been fantastic, and the chance to get a flipper on bearings with titanium slabs on both sides and a big, reverse-tanto-ey sort of CPM-S35VN blade for ~$150 was too hard to pass up.

Long story short, it's a fantastic knife. Mine is amazingly smooth, it flips incredibly well and has great fit and finish. The blade is centered, there is no play, and the blade falls closed under its own weight if lifted to the vertical and released.

It has so many general characteristics in common with the 0801 it's hard not to compare them. They're about the same size, about the same weight (the Kizer is about a half ounce lighter), both are bearing flippers with ~3.5" blades, both are full titanium (though the clip is also titanium on the Kizer) and so forth.

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I love my 0801--it's one of the worst performing knives I own for cutting things (just geometry holding it back, I've thinned it down and it's hair-popping sharp and convexed to boot) and I still carry it all the time (it's my around home, yard work beater knife).

This thing has kicked it to the curb, though, at least for now. It carries better, has better handle ergos, I like the blade shape better and it cuts better thanks to the hollow grind (though it's still too thick to cut really well). I've only had it for a few days, so maybe I just need to spend more time with it and find some flaw that will send me back to the arms of my heavily-used 0801 . . .

Here's a gallery of early snapshots of the thing, incidentally.
 
Great pickup. I haven't seen that Kizer before. It's absolutely BEAUTIFUL. As far as aesthetics, I much prefer it over the 0801. I want one...
 
I love the handles but I hate that blade shape;reminds me of the bm940.too bad it didn't have a bowie or fighter type blade.the handles are so cool. good luck with it.
 
Kizer - a new one on me - no surprise really.

Looks very nice however. I like the "Benchmadesque" blade shape and the scales.
 
Great, now I want this too. All that for $150 sounds like a hell of a price. Gimme a couple weeks and I'll be back to comment on how she feels lol.
 
Nice one. Congrats.

How about seeing the lock side? Does the handle texturing afford better grip?

I like the blade shape. The titanium looks blue in one picture and gray in another.
 
I love the handles but I hate that blade shape;reminds me of the bm940.too bad it didn't have a bowie or fighter type blade.the handles are so cool. good luck with it.

Ha, that's one of my favorite things about it. I love my 940 and 940-1, and believe that 940>943 just because of the superior blade shape. Different strokes for different folks. :)
 
Nice one. Congrats.

How about seeing the lock side? Does the handle texturing afford better grip?

Yes, the handle is about the same max thickness as the 0801, I think, but thins down towards the edges making it rounder overall. The pattern gives it a nice grip and I find the clip doesn't cause any discomfort in use.

As for the back side, my first post in this thread linked an album of photos showing everything about the knife, but here you go:

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I like the blade shape. The titanium looks blue in one picture and gray in another.

It's kind of an odd color, but the variation in the photos is just me being lazy about correcting white balance issues in post. It's gray, but not a very neutral grey. It's got some blue/green to it or something.
 
Yes, the handle is about the same max thickness as the 0801, I think, but thins down towards the edges making it rounder overall. The pattern gives it a nice grip and I find the clip doesn't cause any discomfort in use.

As for the back side, my first post in this thread linked an album of photos showing everything about the knife, but here you go:

It's kind of an odd color, but the variation in the photos is just me being lazy about correcting white balance issues in post. It's gray, but not a very neutral grey. It's got some blue/green to it or something.

Great. Thanks.
 
By the way, it looks the Kizer website is incorrectly stating the Ki4423 with a 4" blade: http://www.kizer-tbt.com/a/product/shadow/2014/0110/37.html

Yeah, that's actually been true on multiple models in the past as well. They seem to have issues with the measurement conventions we use (I think someone figured out that they were measuring to the pivot or something similar). I posted a photo of it next to a ruler, which should clear things up, but then again it's a Chinese ruler so who knows? ;)

3.5" but beefy blade:

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Yeah, that's actually been true on multiple models in the past as well. They seem to have issues with the measurement conventions we use (I think someone figured out that they were measuring to the pivot or something similar). I posted a photo of it next to a ruler, which should clear things up, but then again it's a Chinese ruler so who knows? ;)

3.5" but beefy blade:

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Kizer goes from the tip of the blade to the center of the pivot which we figured out last year. Most everyone else goes from the tip to the foremost point of the handle which is the American Knife and Tool Institute standard: "the measurement shall be the straight line extending from the tip of the blade to the forward-most aspect of the hilt or handle.".

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It's listed as having a over 4" blade at Knife Works.

Kizer Cutlery Framelock, CPM-S35VN, 6AL4V Titanium Handle

Ki423 is the first folding knife of Kizer combined with pure Chinese Traditional Culture on the handle scale design . The designer, Kim Ning, put two important Chinese Ancient Elements on the knife handle, LingZi and Hui ZhuanLun, by using a high technology Laser Carving machine. You can find Hui ZhuanLun (Gyroscopewheel) at a lot of Chinese ancient utensil. LingZi is laying along the horizonal line of knife handle, and the HuiZhuanlun are spreading around Ling Zi, like many of guarding soldiers protecting the King or the General. Mr Kim Ning was inspired by a Chinese ancient treasured sword which has more than 2,000 years’ history and just unearthed recently.

Specifications:
Blade Thickness: 0.157"
Blade Material: CPM-S35VN
Blade Length : 4.05''
Overall Length: 8.18"
Handle Material: 6AL4V Titanium
Clip Material: 6AL4V Titanium
Weight: 5.29oz
Locking: Liner Lock
Hardness: 58-60
Mechanism System: Bearing
 
I. Love. It. Love the blade shape and the handle design.

I resemble this remark. If anything, a few days of carrying and using it have made me dig it even more than my love at first sight. It feels great, if you have to really bear down on it the curve in the blade spine is perfect for your thumb (something I also love about the Southard). The blade has so much belly to it that you can tilt it down a little and very comfortably use it on a cutting board. This morning I was carrying it when I prepped for breakfast, and on a lark I diced white mushrooms and three colors of sweet peppers with it.

IMO, it's a great design.
 
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