Cherrywood vs Cocobolo wood 119

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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1108631-Dymondwood?highlight=dymondwood

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1108631-Dymondwood?highlight=dymondwood DeSoto Sky was active in this one. Maybe we should ask him. :D

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1045076-Dymondwood-problems?highlight=dymondwood

The people who don't like dymondwood seem to be knife makers who are using products from Rutland's list of colors. There are many references to dymondwood solid colors. Knife-makers complain about these dymondwood products as chipping and being of poor quality. My cocobolo dymondwood 119 and 120 do not seem to fit the descriptions I'm reading adding credence, or at least not contradicting my impression that Buck is using a different dymondwood process than the the 52 colors offered for sale to knife makers on the Rutland list.

I skimmed the threads back to December 2012 but it will be dawn soon; so I will stop there, take one of my knives, maybe my Cherrywood 119 and go for a hike.

Lawrence
 
Lawrence,
so you admit you didn't even read the info I provided you??
Wow...... and you taught logic? Wouldn't it have been logical to actually read the information?
I am calling B. S.
The fools you said you don't suffer gladly must have been the people who promoted you at Boeing.

Dymondwood put that they use Birch in their tech specs.
BIRCH
No other wood.type, oh, except for Birch!
Prove to me your mastery of logic how you get any answer other than Birch from that information.

If only birch is listed in the tech specs for Dymondwood, then birch is the only wood used in Dymondwood.


Any other conclusion is your own wishful thinking, stubbornness, senelity or illogical behavior.

Please read the materials that were posted for you over several threads. (Seriously, why did you not read them?)

Or call Buck.Knives Inc and ask....

But please stop making up nonsense and posting it.over and over and over.
 
Lawrence, those threads you provided links to are from custom knife makers discussing materials.they like to use.
They are not threads about production companies like Buck.
Check out the knifemaker's for sale area, and pay attention to the prices.
Those guys use expensive materials to make expensive knives.
Buck Legacy knives also use expensive materials.
Here is a 124 with stabilized cedar. The materials are also reflected in the price. MSRP $500




Oh... threads Lawrence started, and answers were provided regarding handle materials.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1229160-Cherrywood-vs-Cocobolo-wood-119

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1227688-Grain-on-the-Rosewood-124

Here is where many images of catalogs and websites were posted for you
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1226348-Differences-in-the-Buck-124-USA

Here you admit one of your knives may be birch handled
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1227460-Hiking-with-a-Rosewood-124

Birch was mentioned briefly here too
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1227460-Hiking-with-a-Rosewood-124
 
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....this has become too painful to watch....
....Roger has left the building..... :yawn:

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Okay, I thought Desert Chris was becoming more reasonable and sought to meet him half way, but he is resorting to way too many insults and misreadings -- something people do when they are so mad their temper overcomes their good sense. I'm not willing to keep saying "this isn't what I said," and "you are being illogical" over and over.

Off to a hike -- may post some photos of a couple of recent hikes later on. Feel free not to comment on them.

Lawrence
 
Lawrence Helm said:
Okay, I thought Desert Chris was becoming more reasonable and sought to meet him half way, but he is resorting to way too many insults and misreadings -- something people do when they are so mad their temper overcomes their good sense. I'm not willing to keep saying "this isn't what I said," and "you are being illogical" over and over.

Off to a hike -- may post some photos of a couple of recent hikes later on. Feel free not to comment on them.

Lawrence
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Yeah..... pull up a list of logic fallacies
You will find a dozen examples of what you use in your arguments.

Cherry Picking seems to be the primary and consistent one for you.

Reasonable behavior would have been to actually read the information you were provided.

Have a nice hike, I sincerely hope you have an epiphany out there, or at least find the answers you seek.
Because it is obvious that you will not find them in the following locations:
1. On the Buck website
2. In Buck catalogs
3. In data provided by Buck employees, which was then relayed to you.
4. On the phone with Buck employees in the product questions department.
5 In Rutland's actual specifications for Dymondwood.

Furthermore, you actually called Buck Knives Inc's integrity into question.
Saying they were misleading with their handle material names.
However if you chose to actually read the provided materials, they Literally put it all in print for the world to see.

By the way.... I am absolutely not going to meet you halfway to fantasyland.

And I will help you out with your delusions, and not comment on your hiking photos, if you stop claiming your knife handles are something that they are not.
 
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Take for example your repeated comment that I said I never read the catologs and then look back at what I actually said which was, "I should probably look at those catalogs again," and then take my word that I neither meant nor in most cases actually said what you are accusing me of.

In philosophy it is a truism that nothing can be said that cannot be misunderstood by someone. Complicated text will be misunderstood to some extent by almost anyone and in order to approach understanding dialogue is required. Hans Georg Gadamer spent his last years studying Plato who used dialogue to approach truth. Dialogue however requires two or more people who respect each other to the extent that they will give each other the benefit of doubt -- doubt that the negative or detrimental interpretation is the correct one.

What you have written above is insulting to a very high degree, disrespectful to that same degree and wrong. But then all language is ambiguous to some extent. Also, I am not willing to expend the energy to deal with each erroneous interpretation in detail. I doubt that the moderator would permit it and I don't really have any interest in it.

I do have an ongoing interest in obtaining a definitive or at least acceptable definition of a few matters relating to Buck, dymondwood, etc and may pursue that from time to time. I am not really interested in a debate. I don't care if you disagree with me. I don't want to convince you of anything. I want merely to pursue this for my own satisfaction -- some sort of satisfying answer to my questions. However, these are not burning interests. I may pursue this matter from time to time but I have a lot of other interests; so I may not pursue it at all.

Lawrence
 
Sounds awesome to me, call in the moderator... please!

I did say I can only assume you are a troll. I believe that more than ever.

I did say your arguments and reasoning were illogical. Yes, I firmly believe that too.

I do believe you live in a fantasyland, and I do believe your bosses at Boeing made a huge mistake having you teach a logic class.

I stand by everything I said.

By the way, your comments about Buck Knives Inc being deceitful in their marketing was absolutely insulting to a very high degree.
Especially when you were presented the proof of their actually printing the exact materials.they use, over and over and over and over and over and over again

Your knives are manufactured using BIRCH.
Get over it.

So please call in the Moderator.
At this point I am considering reporting my own post, just to get a Moderator here. ;)

My biggest mistake was actually trying to help you 5 threads ago :eek:.

P.S. If you would like to report my post, click the little triangle at the bottom left of any of my posts ;)
 
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All this pointless arguing ruins the enjoyment of the forums for everyone.
I'm closing this down to preserve the peace.
If any of the Buck forum mods want it open again, they will open it up once again.
Perpetual trolling of topics, arguing, insults, and overly aggressive behavior goes against the spirit of the forums and against the rules themselves. If you cannot play nice, then find a new playground to trash.
 
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