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Chicago Cubs manager Dusty Baker is a knife guy

Gollnick said:
Caesar was killed with a knife by a respected Roman Senator (whom some believe might have actually been Caesar's own illegitimate son) whom Caesar had previously promoted to the high and trusted position of Praetor.
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John Wilkes Booth was an actor of renoun in his day, came from a widely respected family too. That information didn't do President Lincoln one bit of good though...
 
>>>>>"John Wilkes Booth was an actor of renoun in his day, came from a widely respected family too. That information didn't do President Lincoln one bit of good though..."

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Booth was also packing a gun and bowie knife, not a simple folding pocketknife.
 
peacefuljeffrey said:
How is it that stickbobby, who evidently wants a return to the days when people could stridently carry, use, and display their knives without having to feel ashamed, is responsible for a reporter being so pathetically ignorant as to the utility of knives?

-Jeffrey
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I think what Hair was trying to say is this.

Most of us strive to appear as positive representations of our knife culture. We're like ambassadors of a country, visiting a foreign land.
It is necessary that we present ourselves well, so that non-knuts will see that we are responsible, sane, contributing members of society (sometime more-so than they are). When people display mall-ninja behavior, or fantasize about the best way to harm someone with a knife, they push us all a step backward. That type of behavior promotes the opposite image that we need to portray in order for our tools to be widely accepted. Non-knuts need to see us as people who are just like them, not as dangerous misfits.
This is why many people (myself included) strive to portray our knives as utilitarian tools, not weapons. Personally, I do not carry a knife as a weapon (or anything else, for that matter).
Some people may not be concerned with what others think (do not misconstrue: I will carry a pocketknife no matter who thinks it's weird), but there are those of us who know that public image does matter. On a public forum, however, it's best (as far as our public image is concerned) to refrain from topics that contribute to non-knuts' fear of our tools. Contributing to this fear is what leads to restrictions on our right to carry a knife (as seen in the case of Dusty Baker).

Peace.
Alex.
 
mnblade said:
Booth was also packing a gun and bowie knife, not a simple folding pocketknife.
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So, you are saying a folding pocketknife can't be used as an assault weapon? Not even the slightest chance, no matter how slim?

The SS is trained to take no chances. Saying "Oh, everyone knows him to be a friendly baseball coach" or "it's only got a 1" blade" doesn't hold water when all it takes is one instance to lay a hurt on the POTUS. A 1" blade has a higher risk level of injury if used as a weapon than no blade at all. Would you want to take the chance if your job was to lay your life on the line and protect the President?

I also bet if the POTUS goes duck hunting, he is the only person in the party (besides the SS) who packs. Apples to oranges comparison? Maybe, maybe not.
 
i don't know much about presidents and there security but im in good company i think. i do know that a lot of what the presidents detail do is for show( running beside the presidents armored car, letting people and the press see them and what they plainly are around him, taking a well known and respected mans pocket knife) and the press loves and reports it as they should and this tells the average people who may have a mad on for him that they don't have much of a chance to get at him as well as a lot of other things. it is advertisement in a way. taking that knife off him may stop some real nut with a foot long knife not to even consider coming around them.truth is they have a hard job to do and if it helps them do it well then id not mind them taking my knife . a small price to pay for meeting the head of a powerful nation and my president.
another thought is , would u want a security detail that even trusts each other must less a person who they really do not know. dusty baker is a good man im sure but who the heck really knows , do u ?
david
 
Interesting post, Newshooter04. I still want to know if they confiscated all the BASEBALL BATS.
 
mnblade said:
I still want to know if they confiscated all the BASEBALL BATS.
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Care to guess the truth? They probably had someone making sure there were no bats in the vicinity of the president. I guarantee it.

BTW, the Secret Service would perform the same actions for any sitting President; regardless of who is in the office. The President doesn't institute Secret Service policy, the Secret Service institutes Secret Service policy - sometimes against the President's wishes.
 
Monocrom said:
Not trying to be sarcastic, but the whole point of the Secret Service is to keep the President safe. If the point isn't about the ridiculous possibilty of Dusty Baker harming the President, with a pocket knife, then what is the point? To treat a well-known and respected baseball manager like some punk off the street?
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i'm not sure i follow you, or if you understood me. i meant it doesn't really matter Dusty Baker is Dusty Baker. the fact that he's probably not going to thrust his knife into the president is irrelevant. he's not being treated like a punk on the street, rather he's being treated like everyone else.

i don't see the big deal. i doubt dusty took it personally at all, so i don't see why people would take it personally on his behalf.
 
slotstik said:
i'm not sure i follow you, or if you understood me. i meant it doesn't really matter Dusty Baker is Dusty Baker. the fact that he's probably not going to thrust his knife into the president is irrelevant. he's not being treated like a punk on the street, rather he's being treated like everyone else.

i don't see the big deal. i doubt dusty took it personally at all, so i don't see why people would take it personally on his behalf.
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And that's the thing; Dusty Baker isn't everyone else. Bush came to enjoy the game and meet the managers, just as much as they came to meet him! Baker isn't some guy off the street wanting an autograph. If Baker was a diplomat, he would have gone back to his country, and told everyone how he was personally insulted...... And if Baker was wearing his uniform, then the SS screwed up by not taking his baseball shoes. One good kick would probably do a lot more damage than a pocket knife.:grumpy:

And the only thing more annoying than people who look at you funny because you carry a knife, is when those same people turn to you and ask to borrow it for some mundane cutting chore! I've gotten to the point where I won't lend them my pocket knife. I'm polite about it, but I do tell them to buy and carry their own; since they obviously need one! Hell, I'm considering getting a Spyderco Byrd folder for a friend, just so I'll never hear the following words again; "Dude, I know you have a knife on you, you always do; let me borrow it." Damn hypocrites! :mad:
 
slotstik said:
it's all good man, and i see your point. i just don't let stuff like this bug me.
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I guess things like this bother me because I don't see the situation improving anytime soon. As much as I hate the ridiculous knife laws in NYC, I know that the situation is worse, and more ridiculous in other parts of the world.:mad:
 
so .. why does a president in america need the incredible level of security that he gets in america given the nature of the office? i mean, they close down whole highways just so the president can travel to and from places. again, he isn't a monarch, and the individual person is not necessary for the country to function, and the security casues him to be cut off from the population to such a degree that it can be argued that he no longer has the ability to look at the country and it's needs from the perspective of an ordinary citizen, and hence, we are not being well served when he is as isolated as he is, due to "security concerns" ... ridiculous!
 
This has nothing to do with Mr. Bush or Mr. Baker. It has to do with classifying knives as weapons -- ANY knives as weapons, no matter how small or utilitarian. As mnblade pointed out, they did not make a big deal of sequestering the baseball bats ...

I still cannot carry a Victorinox Classic onto an airplane. But I can carry a Canemasters hickory cane. Ridiculous. That's not for security, it's all for show.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
not for security, it's all for show.
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I agree, as with not letting you carry a nail file on a plane but serving wine in a glass in first class. So much of it truly is for "show."
 
>>>>"John Wilkes Booth was an actor of renoun in his day, came from a widely respected family too. That information didn't do President Lincoln one bit of good though..."

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Another thought on this. You're right, Booth WAS a very famous actor. Still, tally up how many hundreds of thousands (millions?) of famous people have come into direct contact with U.S. presidents. That number would be HUGE! Enormous. And how many have ever taken a poke at a POTUS? Approximately 1.000 is your answer.

But again ..... my whole point is not to denigrate the Secret Service. They have a very important job to do and do it well. My point was the silliness of confiscating a very well-known person's common pocketknife in that controlled setting, but not baseball bats and other potential weapons. Oh, AND the general goofiness of the article I cited. For example: the sentence "What's Baker doing with a knife?" Answer: What the hell kind of question is that to ask about a grown man? What's he doing with a knife? Well, I presume he had pants, right?! LOL!

Oh and, as the title of the thread suggested, I just think it's very cool to know that Chicago Cubs manager Dusty Baker is a knife guy. :-) Just a cool thing to know he's one of us.
 
There was a famous musician named Elvis and an infamous President named Nixon. One day, the musician visited the President, and brought him a gift. A lovely .45; no, not a record. The OTHER .45! ....... And not one member of the SS stopped him from walking right up to the President. Nixon didn't freak out at the sight of his "gift." He was happy to have received it!
 
this thread has been on my mind some lately ( which tells u a lot about my mind and how boring my life is).
i can't get over the fact that u have a president whos in the mist of some troubling times and a baseball coach who has plenty of problems and each of the 2 has several things going on that are news worthy. can someone tell me what the heck is it that makes the fact that baker had a knife and it was taken newsworthy. what editor in his right mind wastes print space on this story.even if it was only a line or 2 surely there are much more important things to fill the story out.
the fact it was done by secret service i find unimportant compared to the (imho)mindset of the paper.
was it just bad editing or a wish to show how well the president is protected or a back door slam on knives? or maybe baker?
david
 
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