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Porkchop3223

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I went to Walmart and checked out their knife display. They have Buck Diamondbacks for $14.99
I checked one out and the first thing I noticed was the Taiwan mark on the blade.
There were other knives in Walmarts display made by other makers.
Buck is getting a lot of serious competition from other knife companies.
My opinion is that customers will pay for quality.
If Buck has to charge more to manufacture in the USA - they still can come in less expensive than Busse, etc. and other US quality manufactures.
I am a loyal Buck fan but my team seems to be falling behind.
I just ordered a $116.00 Buck Custom Shoppe 110. Give me more Quality options at the local store
Oh - I didnt buy the $14.00 Taiwan Buck.I have to make a stand somewhere and Taiwan seems to be as good as place as anywhere.
Porky
BCCI 1107
 
Porkchop3223 said:
I went to Walmart and checked out their knife display. They have Buck Diamondbacks for $14.99
I checked one out and the first thing I noticed was the Taiwan mark on the blade.
There were other knives in Walmarts display made by other makers.
Buck is getting a lot of serious competition from other knife companies.
My opinion is that customers will pay for quality.
If Buck has to charge more to manufacture in the USA - they still can come in less expensive than Busse, etc. and other US quality manufactures.
I am a loyal Buck fan but my team seems to be falling behind.
I just ordered a $116.00 Buck Custom Shoppe 110. Give me more Quality options at the local store
Oh - I didnt buy the $14.00 Taiwan Buck.I have to make a stand somewhere and Taiwan seems to be as good as place as anywhere.
Porky
BCCI 1107
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I don't know... I guess its just how you look at it. Bucks imports will keep up with everyone elses cheaper imports and they are still better.
I for one will not carry a $116.00 Custom 110. I will however use a standard 110. I also carry a Buck Mayo Hilo. ( made in china) I love the Hilo for carry and use! It is a very well built knife -no matter who made it where. Buck still has a lifetime warranty to hold up!Its a sign of the times I guess, at least it helps Buck stay in america by staying competitive.
Ohh also I own 2 pontiac vehicles, I am pretty sure there are alot of foreign parts in them what can i do:confused:
 
Buck_110 said:
Sad, isn't it? Any real Buck knife collector knows an Asian knife can't possibly be a Buck. It may have Buck on it, but that don't make it a Buck. If you were to get a Buck tatoo, it would certainly say Buck, but that don't mean you were made by Buck. At least Benchmade tells you exactly which of their knives are being produced in Asia. I wish Buck would do this as well.
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But is an offshore produced "Red class" Still a benchmade then? If an "offshore" Buck isnt a Buck?

Is my pontiac a pontiac? Or is it a toyota?

I also wish Buck would inform of which are imports. They do somewhat in the dealer catalog but thats about it. Hang around Buck Knives long enough though and you just know which are which...:confused:

Also any "real" Buck collector can use an asian Buck. Buck still reaps the profits. I probably have USA made bucks to imports 20 to 1.
Does this mean I am not a "real" Buck knife collector:yawn: ...
I use my $20.00 Mayo not my $200.00 903 Bowie...:D
Just my .02 worth.
 
Buck_110 said:
Jim:

You sure know how to break chops.:D I think you know what I mean. I mean as far as collecting goes. The U.S.A. made Bucks will always be the collectibles, and the Asian "Bucks" will always be deemed users and beaters. Any product that was originally made in the U.S.A. and is now made in Asia is worth less...not just knives. I also have a feeling you don't collect new Pontiacs. However, look what an original 1964 GTO will fetch. I must admit, you do have a point with the Benchmades being made in Asia not being real Benchmades. Of course you're a Buck collector, but do you use your Buck collectibles?
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I agree with this statement 100% :D
No way jose on the collectible users :D
Thats what I posted in the first post, I could never use my $116.00 Custom 110. That would break my heart!!!!! LOL I wish I could afford to collect new pontiacs :D I would have a GTO for everyday of the week Thats the only reason I have the Imports Just to use and abuse. If it breaks ETC. its easily replaced. BUT SO FAR they are great. Havent had any problems.
I did have troubles with the Bucklites I carried in the past thats why I went with the all metal imports. well that and the bucklite line was discontinued:D
 
This reminded me of something I stuck in another thread a while back.

There are knives made to be users.
There are knives made to be collectables.
Sometimes due to various reasons, users become collectables.
Lucky is the guy that has the rare mint users that has become collectable.

Jest thought I would toss that out..... no reason....:o
 
Pack Rat said:
This reminded me of something I stuck in another thread a while back.

There are knives made to be users.
There are knives made to be collectables.
Sometimes due to various reasons, users become collectables.
Lucky is the guy that has the rare mint users that has become collectable.

Jest thought I would toss that out..... no reason....:o
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As long as we are on the subject ,
I would also like to add that YEARS ago :o I owned some USA made Schrades. They were on clearance at a Walmart. Anyway I tore the pocket clip off 3 of them, and if I used them they were butterknife dull by the end of the day. Also had a Blaze orange handled Schrade fixed blade, dull before you even finished just FIELD dressing a deer (it also stained from the blood before I got back to rinse the rest off). Bucks "offshore" knives aren't that bad! My Mayo's cut just as good and as long as my 110's...
As for the schrades ,well, they are 100% overseas now... ( I still wont buy one):D
 
I collect the 300 series which were made by Schrade and Cammi. on contract for over 20 years. Which makes them, in this era, no different than foreign made Bucks, however I will never buy a non-USA made 300. I collect 300 Bucks because one was the first real, brand new pocket I knife I ever owned.
Back when a kid could ride a bike down a dirt road with a .410, a real army surplus canteen and ammo pouch and a terrified beagle in the front basket and never be given a second look, a black handled Buck knife was gold. I carry everyday one of three 1970's 303's that are not even close to MIB. But, they connect me with the simpler past, if it really was that simple. I own some things not American made and do so because they are the best made. Craftsmanship is craftsmanship no matter the country. I collect my Buck knives because holding one of them in my hand stills gives me that paper route paid feed store feeling of the very first one.
 
300Bucks said:
I collect the 300 series which were made by Schrade and Cammi. on contract for over 20 years. Which makes them, in this era, no different than foreign made Bucks, however I will never buy a non-USA made 300. I collect 300 Bucks because one was the first real, brand new pocket I knife I ever owned.
Back when a kid could ride a bike down a dirt road with a .410, a real army surplus canteen and ammo pouch and a terrified beagle in the front basket and never be given a second look, a black handled Buck knife was gold. I carry everyday one of three 1970's 303's that are not even close to MIB. But, they connect me with the simpler past, if it really was that simple. I own some things not American made and do so because they are the best made. Craftsmanship is craftsmanship no matter the country. I collect my Buck knives because holding one of them in my hand stills gives me that paper route paid feed store feeling of the very first one.
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WELL SAID!!!!!!! I just wish I was around when I could ride my bike down the road with a .410... Never saw those days...
 
Porky, wh4f, Buck_110,

You all have valid points on this topic; It has come up here many times and is an emotional issue for most of us old timers. Here is my take on this issue:

Years and years ago.....Ok...how about this.....Once upon a time...LOL. Now on the serious side; I collected knives along time ago....like 30 years or so. The knives I collected were made by Case, Schrade, Gerber, AG Russell, Rigid and Buck, at that time they were all made in the USA!!!!! Then when I got a little older I started to collect Guns and stopped with the knives......now all these years later.....I decided to start collecting knives again.

So.....I bought a Gerber mini covert when it came in I was disappointed to find it was not made in the USA and not of the same quality as the USA made covert I had EDC for years. I discovered that Rigid was no longer a USA knife. Then I was at Walmart and saw a display with a fixed blade Buck knife :). Now.....just imagine my disappointment when I opened the black box and found that Buck was also not made in the US of A!!!!!! I got on-line found the buck web site and could find nothing that said Buck's were made over seas!!!!! Where there any quality USA made knives left that were not handmade customs costing $$$$$$$?

When in doubt educate I bought a book "2005 Sporting Knives".......I found some new technology that I really liked......assisted opening knives. This book also said that Buck was still a USA company.....so there was still hope for a quality knife from yester-year. I bought many of the assisted opening knives that were available including a Tempest....yes.....some Bucks were still made in the US of A and the rest is history......I got hooked on Bucks and only Bucks.......found you guys and here I am rambling on and on. I don't like to buy non-USA made knives and don't want to get that kind of a surprise when I open the box. However, I do understand the need for a company to compete with other cheap knives......so I have no hard feelings; If that's what it takes for Buck to stay competitive......More power to them. I'll just buy the knives made here in the good old U S of A ;) .

jb4570
 
Buck_110 said:
jb:

I do remember those days well. I had Gerbers, Schrades, and the like as well. There's nothing wrong with Buck being competitive. The only gripe I have is that just like you opened the package to find it was a Chinese made knife, others find out that very same way as well. Do you think most people would purchase these knives if they knew they were made in Asia? It's almost like a surprise to behold that doesn't reveal itself to you until it's too late. It's almost liked being duped due to withholding the truth. This will only anger people. The whole fool me once deal. That's why I stated that at least Benchmade lets the public know before they make a purchase. I don't thnk this is too much to ask from Buck.
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I agree Buck_110,

However, that's up to the marketing folks at Buck. If it were up to you and me there would be some kind of info or colored box that would give you a clue before you bought the knife.

jb4570
 
300Bucks said:
I own some things not American made and do so because they are the best made. Craftsmanship is craftsmanship no matter the country.
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I agree with that...I posted a pic of an Indian carving set which I have on display in my display case (http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=425097) that I'm sure is totally useless for carving Turkey or anything else. But it is an eye-catching set and someone took a lot of time (by my standards) making it.

There are people in this country turning out odd items like this, but it seems that they are found in the more financially challenged areas of the Southwest rather than in big cities... :(

And to further stoke that theory, I've found that local Amish harnessmakers turn out the most beautiful leatherwork that I have ever seen...made to order; hand finished; no embellishments...just quality hide, tanned to perfection, and lovingly crafted by artisans... :cool: :thumbup:
 
this has been a HOT topic for a while about buck.
i like puma also another expensive knife,
but they have sorced to spain and another place also.
there is shot gun made in belgume is very highly desired.
and a jap made gun also that is highly hily desired...
i as a old timer still like and try to buy usa, but am admiting that others can make a good product...

i also was shocked at finding china on a buck knife was realy mad! sold it fast

i wander what Al Buck would have said...

but i can see were it is nessary to compeat in today's international world
i jest wish they had created a sepreat overseas divison and called it
Buck International and turned the logo around back wards.
that way they could still advertise Buck as usa made - which by law they can not advertise they are usa made at all - by law they can not even say inadvertisement that they have a factory in idaho!
Only that they are based in Idaho and can not mention any knives are made there...
yes in MHO they should have created a
Buck Knife International with seperat book keeping
as a wholy owened company.
and left Buck Knives inc as seperat company... a bit more bookeeping but worth the image as an Anerican Icon... because then they could still advertise as a American Company with Pride!!!

i mean who buys the top line products mostly boomers and
up comeing nam eara boomers who
are still into
Americian Made!
 
I don't mind Buck staying competitive at Wal-mart with low end Chinese knives, which are better than the other stuff from China and are backed by a real warranty. What I am not happy with is that trying to find the American made versions locally has been getting pretty tough. I was happy to find that my local Ace hardware started carrying 303 cadets again, after being sold out for a long spell. Bought one as a spare to back up the 303 I've been carrying for several years. Personally I don't mind spending a few dollars more to keep the hardware store going and (hopefully) continue to have the 303's made in the USA. Besides, I like the delrin handles on a work knife. Hard to mess 'em up.
 
porkchop, first get it in the correct order. Buck has had several knives made in Korea. (TLC for one) Then came Taiwan. Then came china. The china made 300 series are better made than the Schrade knives they replaced. I personally preferre the 110 and the Sebenza, how ever the Lumina is a very nice knife that hasnt failed yet.BTW the Lumina was purchased from a DEALER, not a mas market big box.
 
Just to clarify my comments, my gripe is not that the outsourced 370 series is replacing Shrade knives, but that the 370 series often displaces the 300 series at my local dealers. I'm just glad that I found a 303 at the hardware store, after much searching.
 
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