china using 440 stainless whats up with that?

Hey Mike that's OK, we all have bad days including me. I opened my mouth before engaging my little brain just this morning. :foot: Not an uncommon problem these day's. LOL Your still my friend and I apologies for doing that. I deserved to be corrected and didn't mind you doing so. Ron
 
I'm glad, Ron, we can set it aside. I've lost a friend over stupid crap and my big mouth; I don't want a repeat. :o

Have a good one. Don't push yerself too hard.... hasn't anyone told ya yer getting old? ;) (Nanc just thought that was hilarious, sittin' here cackling like a sick chicken. I'll flip her off for ya. :D)
 
Mike

You are dead on about what is available here in America (at a cost of course). Since Americans are viewed as being "rich" by others as well as themselves, the capitalistic system will charge them more for the same goods and services. Even the "poor" here are rich by world standards. Not many poor people in other countries blabber away about trivial stuff on their cell phones while in line at the supermarket.

In other "poorer" nations that I have lived in (New Zealand), consumerism was much less prevalent. The people there just could not afford it. Goods and services (say a visit to the doctor) cost less too. Far fewer people had things like elective surgery or braces for their teeth.

The cost of an item can be greatly influenced by the taxes on the items. For instance, cigarettes manufactured in the US that have been legally imported into Canada are much more expensive than when they were smuggled in from the US. Both pack came from the same factory so there can be no argument about production costs. I remember one time when they hiked the gasoline taxes in Canada. Many of the gas stations posted signs showing that over half of the pump price (and all of the recent increase) was various forms of taxes.

Oh yeah, back to the original topic of this thread. The manufacturing facility where I am working is having trouble buying aluminum, steel and copper too. The story that we get is... It is all being bought up and sent to China... and being shipped to us in the form of finished goods. It wouldn't be so bad if only we could stop them from turning so much of it into high powered car stereos and spinner-wheels ;)

Phil
 
knifeaholic101 said:
SNIP is it that the chinese can afford 440 and we cant?
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Take a look at how many millionaires and billionaires there are in Shanghai alone now... that ought to answer your question.

The same things being said in this thread were said about Japan when their economy took off after the War. It was BS about Japan and it's BS about China now. The Chinese universities are turning out over 5 times more engineers every year than US universities. So while their innovation is not up to world standards now, it won't take them long to start creating products just like the Japanese did. The Chinese also have very long tradition of copying things the like. It's a cultural thing and a real problem for us doing business with them. But that will change just like it did with Japan.

The Chinese people are working like crazy and for the first time in years and years they get to keep some of the profits from their labor. So they want to buy themselves and their families some nice consumer goods like folks in the USA do... only thing is, there are over a billion Chinese. And that's a lot of TV sets. :eek:

The US consumer when given a choice buys the cheaper product and doesn't care if that makes a US company go broke or move their production overseas. How many Mini Mills made in the USA have you guys bought? If there were any they'd certainly cost several times what the Chinese ones cost.

I recently bought a milling machine – the most expensive single item I have ever purchased – and I bought one made in California. Why? Because although it isn't the "cheapest" machine I could have bought it offers the best price/productivity ratio of anything on the market and I wanted to support an economy I feel is important. I also consider any such purchase a political decision and I factor that into my decision. Price is not the only deal maker for me. I am willing to pay more for a product made in Europe or the USA if that means keeping my neighbors in a job.

The USA and the rest of the entire western world is going to have to roll up their sleeves and out work and out think the Chinese (and Indians) if we want our kids to not end up left out in the cold. The Chinese are coming in from the cold now, and they didn't seem to like it out there.
 
Kevin Wilkins said:
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The US consumer when given a choice buys the cheaper product and doesn't care if that makes a US company go broke or move their production overseas. How many Mini Mills made in the USA have you guys bought? If there were any they'd certainly cost several times what the Chinese ones cost.

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Nobody forced any American TV manufactureres to move production overseas.

Corporate greed in the form of bottom line mentality had the American electronics firms line up to sell all their TV and other electronics patents to the Japanese in the 70's and 80's. Hence the Japanese now control the home entertainment market.

So if someone wants to point the finger of guilt, point it in the proper direction, the heads of RCA, Motorola, Setchell Carlson, Sylvania, etc., not at the American public on this one.

Believe it or not, most Americans don't live the American dream of 100K+ annual incomes, EACH, with funded 401K plans, bonuses if they get fired, etc. ad nauseum.
The majority live from paycheck to paycheck(what is that anyway?) and have to make a dollar stretch as far as they can. Their kids won't go to harvard and yale, but to city colleges if they're lucky, and they don't have to leave school to earn a living.
Most people today are not overprivilidged yuppie larvae, but work their asses off for a pittance compared to what the lying media tells us we all make.
Hell, a 40K annual income for a two person household is considered below poverty level by the government.:barf:

To me that would be riches beyond comprehension. I'd be like Scrooge McDuck diving in his pool filled with money.:rolleyes:

Do you think average people shop at China-Mart because they like being banged into by fat welfare recipients with attitudes and no deoderant, treated rudely by the checkout people, or the store employees, if you can even find one to ask a question of?

No they don't. AND, you won't find rich people shopping there either.

People buy from such places because they have to, not because they want to.

The same goes for tooling. Think I like having some POS Taiwanese mill drill if I could afford something without 5" of backlash?
NO, I dont, but I have no choice. The same goes for the majority of small time knifemakers who just want to get the Hell out of the corporate meat grinder and do something with their own hands and have no chickenshiite boss threatening them with unemployment on a weekly basis, and I don't blame them one bit.
 
I'm not sure what your point is Mike? But it sure sounds angry. All the best to you. :)

I usually end up working 7 days a week myself but I know there are millions of people in the world who are much worse off and have fewer possibilities than I do. I try and remember that on months that when the bills are mounting up.
 
just take a look at our government and you will see where all of this country bullshit starts. i really hate to get in a discussion about the politics of this country politicians make me sick. while they play their power trip games between each other this country suffers ungodly. bottom line is this country shits on its own people and caters to foreign numskulls. you realize the price of fuel is cheaper overseas than here. whats wrong with that picture. gentlemen our government has its nose in too many places where it should not be. all they are doing is stirring a hornets nest while setting us up for a real ass whooping. overseas may count their blessings that i am not in charge of this country. i beleive in fighting the battle to win period......... so many americans live in such a nieve fashion and look at this country they way they would like it to be. not the way it is.... if your a republican please dont bother me you all have done enough damage and have no clue to what extent......... ooops wrong forum oh well
 
as far as china goes ya'll better pray china never has brute force intentions on us. cause if they ever build a fighting force the size of their country this country is in a world of trouble. by the way i spent my 20 yrs in the military spent more than enough of that as a grunt i have seen our governments crap first hand:jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit:
 
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