Chinese Shirogorov clone

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stjust33

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I got this in the mail today, and I thought I would share with the good folks here. I used the word clone instead of counterfeit because there are no logos anywhere on the knife and the seller was not trying to pass it off as a real Shirogorov. I'll share the pics first and then my first impressions.

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Very nice looking out of the box. Titanium handles and spacer, with ceramic ball bearings pivot. D2 steel.

It requires a little wrist action to get it to open, but no worse than some other flippers I have. The first few times it didn't lock up real well, but after playing with it for a while that seems to have gone away. It locks up nice and tight now. The blade is nice and centered.

There are no rough spots except for on the one screw near the lanyard hole that I showed a close up of. I think the problem is the open end of the screw slot is facing up. The screw on the other side is facing down and there is no roughness. I tried to tighten the screw some more to get it facing down, but I wasn't able to tighten it that much. So I may try and sand it down.

I would have preferred the jimping to have some more texture. It is a little too smooth.

The lanyard hole is hidden pretty well, so getting some paracord through there might be a challenge.

Finally, it was fairly sharp out of the box, but I am going to work on it a little.

Overall, I am pretty pleased with it. Maybe someday when I have an extra grand laying around I'll get a real Shirogorov, until then this will work nicely.
 
Clone/counterfeit are synonymous around here.
I am glad that you are happy, but I would sooner buy "X" amount of opinels for the coin spent. At least that would be supporting an honest (by comparison) business model.

I don't know how many posts or of which stance they will take, but my dollar would be bet on a similar view of what I expressed.

Again, glad Your happy, but I choose to refrain from further comments since they will likely have some form of negative connotation.

Good luck.
 
I think it is fairly easy for clones or counterfeits to get the same fit and finish as the real deal. After all, knife making is not a high tech business. In my opinion, the only thing to rely on to differentiate them is the blade steel, which unfortunately becomes obvious only through use of the knife, sometimes extended period of use.
 
sharp_edge said:
I think it is fairly easy for clones or counterfeits to get the same fit and finish as the real deal. After all, knife making is not a high tech business.
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do you honestly realize the tolerances allowed in a CRK as it leaves the company and that is a Production knife?!

How about the fit and finish on an Original Bob Loveless?

Hell, how about the warranty behind a Benchmade, Spyderco, or Any other major brand?

For reference, this is regarding Chris Reeve knives:
-"Manufacturing tolerances dictate the range of acceptable deviation in the measurements of a manufactured part to limits that won’t effect overall quality. The tightest tolerances set by Chris Reeve in the knife manufacturing process is a tenth of a thousandth of an inch (0.0001). For example, if the target measurement for a part is 1 inch, it’s final dimension may be between 1.0001 and 0.9999, but anything outside of that range is not tolerated."
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It's ok, because the failure rate of them all is comparable, the warranty is about the same and build quality doesn't differ...
 
NJBillK said:
Clone/counterfeit are synonymous around here.
I am glad that you are happy, but I would sooner buy "X" amount of opinels for the coin spent. At least that would be supporting an honest (by comparison) business model.

I don't know how many posts or of which stance they will take, but my dollar would be bet on a similar view of what I expressed.
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I'm with you. If it quacks like a duck...
 
For the record, I am all against clones and counterfeits, so lets get that straight out.

I have to admit that I do not own Loveless, not even a CRK. What I said above is based on my experience in other industrial areas and of course my understanding. I am not taking anything away from these highly respectable brands.

With that being said, I still do not believe it is so difficult for a knife manufacturer in China to achieve the tolerance level and fit and finish of most if not all brands in the U.S., IF it chooses to do so. Again, there is nothing in a knife that naked human eyes cannot see, EXCEPT the quality of the materials, among which the blade steel is the most important.

Edit: what I am saying is it is basically a moot point to praise or justify clones/counterfeits based on their seemingly good or on par fit&finish, zero blade play, deadly cetering etc etc. Things get interesting only when clones/counterfeits get to the same building quality AND use the same materials as the real deals. Even then, they are still not the same due to warranty, reputation etc.
 
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People who buy clones/counterfeits deserve all the bad karma coming their way, and that is simple as that.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Steven,

Do you type best regards and your name every time or is it like a signature?

And I agree on the clones/counterfeits.
Kohai999 said:
People who buy clones/counterfeits deserve all the bad karma coming their way, and that is simple as that.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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shinyedges said:
Steven,

Do you type best regards and your name every time or is it like a signature?

And I agree on the clones/counterfeits.
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I type it every time....am stubborn/OCD/mentally handicapped that way...just became a habit after the 1,000th or so time.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
The bearing system in CLONE can never be close to real shirogorov, because these Chinese makers can never understand what's the real great thing in shirogorov, they can only make a similar looking knife, but completely inferior inside. I know most of these fake knife makers, they never held a SRRBS OR DRRBS shirogorov. most of them just play with the production shirogorov and make some fake copy.
To me, this is a waste of money.
 
DAMN lol that is some dedication.

Often I'm on bladeforums on my phone (like now) and what a pain in the butt it is to push these little letters.

May I suggest just adding it in your signature to save time? I might throw my name in my signature.

Kohai999 said:
I type it every time.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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shinyedges said:
DAMN lol that is some dedication.

Often I'm on bladeforums on my phone (like now) and what a pain in the butt it is to push these little letters.

May I suggest just adding it in your signature to save time? I might throw my name in my signature.
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Have thought about it.

I have a Blackberry Classic, it's not so hard to type on.

Why a Blackberry you ask? I do about 1,000 texts a month, and that talk to text stuff does not work in many of the environments that I'm in.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
That makes sense, virtual keyboards suck.

Any way hope all is well.

Chris
Kohai999 said:
Have thought about it.

I have a Blackberry Classic, it's not so hard to type on.

Why a Blackberry you ask? I do about 1,000 texts a month, and that talk to text stuff does not work in many of the environments that I'm in.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Support local. Buying "clones" supports the production of more clones.. Then again, people that buy clones are all about looks and not the real deal. If you can't afford a real one, don't fake it.

And on another note, I won't buy Russian made knives either. Even the Custom Knife Shop knives.. Designed in Russia, American parts, made in China.. WTF lame.

Too many good/great American makers and people trying hard to support a family with their own original ideas/designs to give money away to lame clone producers or ...

Are you going to now buy a fake rolex or a kit car Porche?

You vote with your dollar, don't support this crap.

lol.... /end rant.
 
You should give it a real world test. Throw it in a lake, and let us know how you feel.


I know it would make most of us feel better.
 
I think the clone thing has been beaten to death, insofar as I will have little to add. Apart from saying that I don't know that the OP quite understood what mine field he was walking into. You initial comment on defining clone vs counterfeit suggests you did at least think about it a little, and I hope the comments given are not taken too personally, but its been a sore spot for quite some time, and I don't think much debate remains.

Just a few thoughts, Sosa, be careful about "stuff you hear" that rumor has been around for a while, and while I don't think there is definite proof either way, why keep a rumor going that doesn't help anyone? As far as I see it, who does the actual production work, at the behest of the designer could not matter in the slightest to me. As long as each is paid as he deserves thats all that should matter.
 
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